From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Etymology of `visiting' files Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2016 09:58:43 -0400 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87invbmkfg.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87y447oaaw.fsf@rudiments.goosenet.in> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1470664842 25684 195.159.176.226 (8 Aug 2016 14:00:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 14:00:42 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 08 16:00:37 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bWl6V-0005L8-96 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2016 16:00:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57637 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bWl6S-0005vU-1d for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2016 10:00:28 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!news.albasani.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 22 Original-X-Trace: news.albasani.net zncMP1P5dy3vAo97xiLLjIKQdSxcjONfXM1uftpycFcjeoE2SRDMEAjfUpxvTN3y9Z0t1Kx7ghYBj6RK6FNzGA== Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 13:58:43 +0000 (UTC) Original-Injection-Info: news.albasani.net; logging-data="EtSKi7cl6VQFAILWZd6rP6r9Et7EaNvs59g4pJlsIAdW02AOIKdfbQ9LRoHPFRjqYckQ5CbZK4vVcxtcn1ceDL2yUk/CYQPMnFPt0T15mk+wJks2lQRFi4d9rjmbVYxF"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@albasani.net" X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Cancel-Lock: sha1:oN9AEc8XpH3qb/3ytzLicD9IOPQ= sha1:ANKLslCjcuBB2ykknu/Dsm6UL0c= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:218711 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:111079 Archived-At: On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 15:24:31 +0530 Udyant Wig wrote: UW> What motivated the choice of the verb `visiting'? UW> From reading some of the relevant section in the Emacs and Elisp UW> manuals, I understand the process the verb names. However, I wanted to UW> find some reasoning or discussion about the choice of verb; my own UW> expectation would have been something like `edit' or `load', but that UW> would be looking through the lens provided by recent editing systems. The term "visiting" does not show up in a 1978 guide to Emacs (but maybe it was already in use): https://web.archive.org/web/20110723033542/http://www.burlingtontelecom.net/~ashawley/gnu/emacs/doc/emacs-1978.html#Basic-File_002dHandling-Commands It shows up in 1981, in the RMS paper on Emacs: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs-paper.html Either way, I think it predates modern CUA standards, which emerged in the late 80's, and which AFAIK set down the File menu (with Quit and Open items) consistently. HTH Ted