From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ian Kelling Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Google Gmail mailing list bounces Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2019 16:25:00 -0500 Message-ID: <87imwxm2tv.fsf@fsf.org> References: <83lg2bivne.fsf@gnu.org> <20190219095700191526550@bob.proulx.com> <83d0nnit0o.fsf@gnu.org> <20190220115853855643126@bob.proulx.com> <83imxegskr.fsf@gnu.org> <20190220152455054511191@bob.proulx.com> <835ztdgr10.fsf@gnu.org> <20190221170259478078146@bob.proulx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="86461"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: mu4e 1.0-alpha3; emacs 27.0.50 Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, moasenwood@zoho.eu To: Nate Bass Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 05 22:54:12 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1h1I0p-000MLU-F0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Mar 2019 22:54:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49704 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h1I0o-0004Kf-9D for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Mar 2019 16:54:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37826) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h1HYf-0006sj-D5 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Mar 2019 16:25:06 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.fsf.org ([209.51.188.13]:48854) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h1HYb-0004sT-Tx for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Mar 2019 16:25:04 -0500 Original-Received: from li.iankelling.org ([72.14.176.105]:57316 helo=mail.iankelling.org) by mail.fsf.org with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1h1HYb-0008Te-Eh; Tue, 05 Mar 2019 16:25:01 -0500 Original-Received: from iank by mail.iankelling.org with local (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1h1HYa-0005Dp-BY; Tue, 05 Mar 2019 16:25:00 -0500 In-reply-to: X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 05 Mar 2019 16:53:50 -0500 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:119555 Archived-At: Nate Bass writes: > I compared my Gmail to the archives and I found that I wasn't > receiving mail from one particular address moasenwood@zoho.eu and I > think this caused me to bounce off the help-gnu-emacs mailing list. > > I started to miss messages on February 6 at 8:51 PST, while receiving > all others on the mailing list. I missed at least one message each day > from this address (25 missed total) until February 10 at 12:35 PST > when I received a > message stating: >> Your membership in the mailing list help-gnu-emacs has been disabled >> due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated >> 10-Feb-2019. > > I did receive messages (about 5 or 6) from moasenwood@zoho.eu > interspersed amongst > the missed messages. I checked the headers of the ones I received and > the ones I missed but I could not find any meaningful difference. > > I compared my Gmail to the archives by diffing the mbox files > (https://superuser.com/a/990431/644460 if anyone wants to try) to be > sure that I wasn't missing messages from any other address. I even > checked Janurary and Feburary of emacs-devel and I could only find > missed messages from moasenwood@zoho.eu. > > I can also confirm that, upon rejoining help-gnu-emacs on February 17, > I did not receive this message > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2019-02/msg00312.html > dated February 20. Maybe other users can check if they have this in > their inbox and report if you are using gmail or something else? > > This issue raises two questions. > 1) Why was I not receiving message from that address. Any thoughts > Emanuel? I did receive your original post "Gmane up again" and some > but not all of the following replies, if that helps. > 2) Should the automatic bounce processing system be changed? I think > my experience confirms that help-gnu-emacs has a bounce score > threshold of 5. It looks like the dmarc issue I mentioned before. I'm working on fixing this. $ host -t txt _dmarc.zoho.eu _dmarc.zoho.eu descriptive text "v=DMARC1; p=reject; sp=reject; fo=0; rua=mailto:dmarc.reports.eu@zoho.eu; ruf=mailto:dmarc.reports.eu@zoho.eu" -- Ian Kelling | Senior Systems Administrator, Free Software Foundation GPG Key: B125 F60B 7B28 7FF6 A2B7 DF8F 170A F0E2 9542 95DF https://fsf.org | https://gnu.org