From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: jsbien@mimuw.edu.pl (Janusz S. =?utf-8?Q?Bie=C5=84?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is there a translation platform for the Emacs manual Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2021 18:13:51 +0100 Message-ID: <87im86jank.fsf@mimuw.edu.pl> References: Reply-To: jsbien@mimuw.edu.pl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33040"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: =?utf-8?B?RW1hY3PluK7liqnpgq7ku7bliJc=?= =?utf-8?B?6KGo?= , Leo Liu <467195537@qq.com> To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 09 18:14:59 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kyHpL-0008SV-19 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2021 18:14:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38394 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kyHpK-0003Ot-2v for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2021 12:14:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40040) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kyHoa-0003NV-69 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2021 12:14:12 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.mimuw.edu.pl ([2001:6a0:5001::4]:43655) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kyHoW-0005hA-TL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2021 12:14:11 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by duch.mimuw.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66DBF600979A5; Sat, 9 Jan 2021 18:14:02 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mimuw.edu.pl Original-Received: from duch.mimuw.edu.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mimuw.edu.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id SYsrvxcJIXQM; Sat, 9 Jan 2021 18:13:57 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from jsbdebian.mimuw.edu.pl (unknown [176.221.123.146]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by duch.mimuw.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Sat, 9 Jan 2021 18:13:51 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sat, 09 Jan 2021 11:39:25 -0500") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2001:6a0:5001::4; envelope-from=jsbien@mimuw.edu.pl; helo=mail.mimuw.edu.pl X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:127137 Archived-At: On Sat, Jan 09 2021 at 11:39 -05, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> I'm using its free version and it works pretty well. >> Those who are interested can come and have a look. >> >> https://crowdin.com/project/emacs-manual-chinese > > Cursory look suggests this is "free as in free beer", i.e. proprietary, > so not something the Emacs project can recommend (or even just > point to. Actually even pointing to such services in `help-gnu-emacs` > is frowned upon). I was using it some time ago and I think its main advantage is a dictionary of phrases making reasonable suggestion. So instead od frowning offer a good alternative. E.g. you can revive https://web.archive.org/web/20070317101647/http://open-tran.eu:80/ https://web.archive.org/web/20131230040211/http://open-tran.eu/ The code is here https://github.com/sliwers/open-tran but requires substantial updating, cf. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/open-tran/gO_c6ScjMUk/xAAXxFmWEAAJ Best regards Janusz -- , Janusz S. Bien emeryt (emeritus) https://sites.google.com/view/jsbien -- , Janusz S. Bien emeryt (emeritus) https://sites.google.com/view/jsbien