From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: moasenwood--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [External] : Re: finding stuff Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 07:39:27 +0100 Message-ID: <87im7iubmo.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <87a6szjc81.fsf@logand.com> <838s8h2bm7.fsf@gnu.org> <83im7j212j.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8764"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:RlC+SAGjvmzY5gcXmLDcs1rDBfk= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 27 07:40:36 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l4eVG-00026F-LX for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 07:40:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32916 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l4eVF-000700-ON for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 01:40:33 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48302) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l4eUM-0006zq-1T for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 01:39:38 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:56312) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l4eUK-0002LV-Hl for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 01:39:37 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l4eUI-00012L-N9 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 07:39:34 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:127380 Archived-At: Drew Adams wrote: > And yes, it's my impression that "many people have come to > get" the idea that many menus aren't worth bothering with - > in particular, I think, many programmers. And perhaps many > Emacs users. Maybe in the hard-core Unix and Emacs community there is a tilt towards that but if you think you are alone think again, just check out Eclipse, all the Microsoft IDEs ... there, menus are a/the fundamental building block of the interface. And while it is possible to have menus in Emacs, here, the corresponding building block is not menus but shortcuts. So obviously people here tend to not use menus, or use them much less... I think shortcuts are better, faster, they don't involve a mouse, they are less disruptive visually and imply less eye strain as there is no alternative to spot and pick, so all in all, they are much more ergonomic. (Especially good shortcuts! ;)) But I suppose you are right, for the purpose of, with your word, discoverability, menus are better. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal