From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Using Emacs for business Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 00:59:27 +0200 Message-ID: <87im2dtnzk.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <87o8c8l32h.fsf@posteo.net> <87zgvs2bup.fsf@zoho.eu> <87y2bby1kr.fsf@zoho.eu> <20210615091834.GB24886@tuxteam.de> <87im2ewr3k.fsf@zoho.eu> <20210616072819.GB17919@tuxteam.de> <20210616093202.GC22979@tuxteam.de> <87mtrpvjwy.fsf@zoho.eu> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2448"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:6au5j6hsyvIG1qcmx8AoWmtkVpY= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 17 01:00:37 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lteWT-0000TW-RK for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2021 01:00:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39274 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lteWS-0001QB-Hb for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Jun 2021 19:00:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43402) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lteVY-0001Oh-Hu for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Jun 2021 18:59:40 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:40582) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lteVW-0005Sh-NN for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Jun 2021 18:59:40 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lteVU-0009uR-R9 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2021 00:59:36 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:130930 Archived-At: Jean Louis wrote: >>> My targets are expressed in money count. If there is >>> money, than it means I did learn enough of Lisp. >> >> Money in Lisp :) >> >> Go for Python if you care about money. > > There is pleasure and there is money result. Any programming > language is fine. Emacs has a fast ready interface and > libraries that speeds up necessary functions. If you care about money, you should learn a language with a strong presence in the commercial and business world. Python is such a language and Python also has very fast devel time, where even a beginner programmer in Python can get pretty advanced stuff up-and-running in one or two weeks or so. Lisp on the other hand has some footing in the university and CS world but even there it isn't so widespread anymore, and as for the business world it is very, very uncommon compared to other languages. Development time in Lisp is also much slower than in Python and there are other disadvantages as well from a business point of view, for example try googling a problem you just encountered in Lisp, then do the same in Python, in Python you get tons of quality hits instantly, in Lisp, for an uncommon problem you might not get a single one, Lisp also tends to be much more varied in terms of style which I think is a good thing, but the boss of a company don't like it since new employees must understand and get into code written by others, and so on. And there are more examples/reasons. > Objects Today | Count > ----------------------------+------- > Emails sent | 488 > Hyperscope, new objects | 280 > Hyperscope, objects sent | 290 > Hyperscope objects tagged | 20268 > Hyperscope, people related | 291 > Mailings sent | 3982 > People | 56 > People, tagged | 256 > SMS Sent | 239 > Tags | 167 > (11 rows) Well, as the Americans put it during their industrialization process, which no one can deny the success of nevermind what opinions one may have of it, "What you cannot measure you cannot control." And I agree 100%. The US/Canadian obsession with stats in sports is a echo of this process and attitude. That said, I don't know what you are trying to communicate by showing that table? -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal