From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Quote by Knuth Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 00:54:17 +0200 Message-ID: <87im175j3a.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <87o8bgg6br.fsf@zoho.eu> <20210705154121.GB6395@tuxteam.de> <878s2j2onn.fsf@zoho.eu> <87r1gbdr6d.fsf@zoho.eu> <87o8b4eiyr.fsf@mbork.pl> <87y2a8ecck.fsf@zoho.eu> <87k0lsdsaw.fsf@mbork.pl> <87eebweq7y.fsf@mbork.pl> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30467"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:rUeUCKcKfzkRQyS/E2ZvVMadhTQ= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 19 00:54:54 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m5FgT-0007hx-PS for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 00:54:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55690 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m5FgR-0005WC-A0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 18:54:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46310) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m5Fg7-0005W2-UU for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 18:54:31 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:37404) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m5Fg5-0000SH-43 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 18:54:31 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m5Fg3-0007CZ-Gq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 00:54:27 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:131841 Archived-At: Christopher Dimech wrote: > I understand that. About twenty years ago, I tried it. > It gets things even more complicated than they are. Yes, of course, as macros involve yet another layer in-between. You don't write source to do stuff, you write source to write source to do stuff. > I rather have a number of small well contained > implementations. I disagree with Knuth that a practitioner > of literate programming becomes an essayist, whose main > concern is with exposition and excellence of style, rather > than how to perform the actual computation. Aha, so that's the idea/vision! Well, how poetic! But very impractical in all the easy cases, and even more so in the difficult ones. > The biggest problem has always been how to do something, > rather than how to describe it. Well, these are two different tendencies, and where they all lead, only Jehovah knows. For example the thought with C++, C with classes, solve the problem by creating a model (an OO model) of it. An interesting thought that lead to a small revolution of the ... computer game industry? And today, the C++ enthusiasts are often not enthusiastic about OO. "It was big in the 90s, but ..." > I gave up trying to put everything in one file. Say what, of course you can't do that :) > And if done by students the problems will became even worse. OK, so what group do you belong to? Please tell so we can generalize negatively about them. > I know a few professors myself claiming to work on the > dynamic properties of everything and the bullshit they say > they have developed. They say they develop the theories, > they develop the computational algorithms needed, they do > everything. Until you do some work with them and realise > there's not much to their work. Welcome to the world of > academia in the western world. > > Consider Ramanujan and Perelman for instance. Both have > worked from some pit hole making great soup. > Modern societies have started treating everything as in some > state of illness. The second largest industry on the planet > is pharmaceuticals, which makes too much lousy soup. > > You just have to look at how the development of the > coronavirus vaccines are happening ! Everyday, you have to > add something else to them, else they won't work. If you're > constantly creating nasty chemistry, how can life within you > understand that you're seeking well-being? Hm ... maybe the group is people with justice obsession syndrome? If so, yeah, they stink. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal