From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Powe Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: New Emacs with GTK! Date: 23 Mar 2003 20:24:46 -0500 Organization: The Hospice of the Mind Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <87he9t8skh.fsf@cecilia.trollope.org> References: <87vfyai2ur.fsf@wassern.consult-meyers.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1048470976 15229 80.91.224.249 (24 Mar 2003 01:56:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 01:56:16 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 24 02:56:15 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18xHCA-0003xT-00 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 02:56:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18xHBU-0005zH-05 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 20:55:32 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 51 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: p-103.newsdawg.com X-Home-Page: http://www.trollope.org X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.8.8/GNU Emacs 21.2.1 [Linux 2.4.5] X-PGP: http://www.trollope.org/pgp.txt User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/21.2 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:111335 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:7837 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:7837 >>>>> "Niels" == Niels Freimann writes: Niels> Dear Lucien, I do not subscribe to any claim about a Niels> renaissance of the text console. Nevertheless if you and Niels> others persist on an ncurses emacs then why not splitting Niels> emacs into gtk and ncurses applications, sharing display Niels> unrelated code via libraries, and removing all the motif, Niels> .., code forever ? and again, what is the point of forking the code, and reducing the number of systems on which it can be used? so you can have a pretty desktop? from a maintenance standpoint, having two versions of the same software, and having to update two versions simultaneously, makes absolutely no sense whatever. it would be a nightmare. Niels> However one thing must be clear: Any future development Niels> must place gtk into the very center. emacs must become Niels> fully compatible with modern desktop environments. It must Niels> provide all the dialogs known to the people by other GUI Niels> programs, and any relicts of the text mode past must Niels> disappear. Emacs must look and feel like any other gnome, Niels> kde, or window, application. well, it may be clear to you, but it sure isn't clear to me. i use emacs as an editor. i don't know what you're doing with it. admiring it on your desktop, apparently. and i completely reject the notion that anyone "must" make their products "look like windows." if i wanted to use windows, i would USE windows. one of the main strengths of using unix/linux is that you can have a CHOICE of desktop and work environments. i fervently hope that your notion that we should all be required to use gnome, kde or windows utterly fails to find an audience. i sincerely hope that future development continues to focus on improving its editing capabilities and makes its potential as a desktop bauble secondary. and i may as well add that a good deal of the improvement of emacs over the years has come from the userbase, which has contributed hundreds, probably thousands of elisp packages that extend the functionality of the base editor. such as this newsreader, gnus. mp -- Michael Powe Waterbury, CT USA ------------------------------------------------------------------- "It stands to reason that self-righteous, inflexible, single-minded, authoritarian true believers are politically organized. Open-minded, flexible, complex, ambiguous, anti-authoritarian people would just as soon be left to mind their own fucking business." - R.U. Sirius