From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Garglemonster Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Printing under OS X Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:08:35 -0500 Organization: Bell Sympatico Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <87hdyoqx3g.fsf@shroud.disorg> References: <4yk73mbr8p.fsf@skjellgran.ii.uib.no> <87r7xt4zoo.fsf@uhoreg.ca> <87y8s1qdgu.fsf@shroud.disorg> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1074804479 27435 80.91.224.253 (22 Jan 2004 20:47:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 22 21:47:48 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ajljv-0003Nj-00 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:47:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Ajlis-0001DS-MD for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:46:42 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!c03.atl99!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!nf3.bellglobal.com!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!shroud.disorg!news Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEXj2co/HQ704dCxl4gH BwL9/PP87t6nPiH89Of07N+9vKQlAAACZUlEQVR4nFWUQYviQBCFKxPU9baNAXdvEiHD3BLbMcwx bP+AgaUhR1EIepuZCL1HWUlob64yzvS/3aruRJ3y9j7eq+pOtWCOoS0YgS1fiIAJISC0AJUGeCLA HwJjHgyBu9CBKWOkE8CyLmcJBAV9BaFrwUSWbgTExpwLY5oJwMusIWDAn8x8sr6AqW1AUZyfx2Xo wOgVWh1B+tJTkwfqMkoHXFzA33iWKhU+IOAln16B3oJS6iUMj37JeXAD6iUCdRedUL8mEegRKKMl gqSVfxFQtiZzNEyFPXcWZAjmDpQRAlb2zSFhrzbqXjWWMU5eFOtjWtrbdS2oRpynisfGD8cWtLp6 4wu6RoM3h71gfgEqKqjotg+BgPsreCsKrWvU92iB9ArU3QoBUXMScKOrl2Kli+Kstd4HsPBvPLMV NlkRmEJH16MLKiOULfCAd2SuF7w9JalY5gOA96WUukkso1VtHSfIffRImavZiNuRrWN/AJnDIwLJ H/OCUKR1les1AinfLejkGmf1sUtOFgJUPVbG71JXum66t2CsSrBA26j60IKa/9E4nI0hcGpBnvyg qZva610LpDeQN2T9D/Y0OErJkEDl9PozAR93IK7kcyA6zoHXjt+EYVS+nVXytxA/Nem138WveAqo x+5tVnm4ZDZlEft+13gN6Fb4+bNvFLTE7D59c+fY0ip9p6Qln5Rr9BN47uqdXfMnssxjWOKLbs7h WZD18WxFMd/gCjuQNw8mw6f66W+GXDmQb1n7YhjDdR/GnFugd9n0+pbQOGiBJ5JEfCkXpRMxYF9B 5v6KcP8Zs/EX8B9UIHMWIMSymQAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== Cancel-Lock: sha1:V/MMBDTXBXEHybM6BVWRBVvQYLE= Original-Lines: 51 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.71.132.175 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca Original-X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1074802817 67.71.132.175 (Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:20:17 EST) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:20:17 EST Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:120339 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:16283 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:16283 >>>>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:31:58 -0600, Tim McNamara >>>>> said: >> the upshot is that you pretty much need a full tex installation >> even to preview files. you could run latex on someone else's >> machine that you access remotely, but that's hardly worth the >> trouble. if worse comes to worse, just get the source for >> tetex and compile it yourself. texlive is another option. Tim> Ah, well, rapidly becoming more trouble than its worth! With Tim> limited hard drive space, the excessive mechanics of a full Tim> install of all the various libraries and binaries, sorting Tim> out all the dependencies, etc., is too much of a PITA. It's Tim> at times like these that the rather Byzantine architecture of Tim> the Unix filesystem becomes annoying. I've only done this with a ppc mac running linux, but tetex is pretty easy to compile and install. Took a while, but it was straightforward. Dunno how much of a pain it would be on OSX. (Does it have tar, cc, make and all that? Some of those commercial unices were a pain that way.) There's not much we can do about the drive space problem, though. Tim> Pity, really, as it looks to me like LaTeX ought to be Tim> renderable along the same lines as HTML and not require 100+ Tim> megabytes of stuff to do even the simplest task. The point of tex & latex is to output stuff through the printer that looks good. That's not a big concern with html where you don't know what browsers with what settings people will be pointing at your document. Anyway, if you don't mind html approximations of your latex files, you could just "compile" them with one of the latex to html converters. You could even set up auctex to do that. There are several options on this front. >> and besides, you will want to print out your stuff for editing. Tim> A fountain pen is so much simpler. Depends on how much text you have and what it is. Editing longish articles can be a pain with pens & notebooks. Verse would be different. I do compose with a fountain pen, but at some point all my writing goes through emacs/auctex to latex and out my printer. Then i unleash my editing "51" and m800... -- garglemonster@my-deja.com Are you mentally here at Pizza Hut??