From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Pascal Bourguignon Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Why emacs have not native language menu Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:48:24 +0200 Organization: Informatimago Message-ID: <87hcnuc6hz.fsf@voyager.informatimago.com> References: <46A49912.9030203@luxdo.jp> <877ioqdoq9.fsf@voyager.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1185284443 29336 80.91.229.12 (24 Jul 2007 13:40:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:40:43 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 24 15:40:41 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IDKcv-00082B-SI for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:40:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDKcv-0007xV-DC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:40:37 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 39 Original-X-Trace: individual.net 9BWRNCVxSF/8jdH9N2wu4wCbOXaRhSdYGbe34mBzDowySb8h4o Cancel-Lock: sha1:1MISqvtSKPlluRzzi070Xem5vHY= sha1:RWgZ7neuT9/PWNjl4buSr/jkemA= Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAQMAAABtzGvEAAAABlBMVEUAAAD///+l2Z/dAAAA oElEQVR4nK3OsRHCMAwF0O8YQufUNIQRGIAja9CxSA55AxZgFO4coMgYrEDDQZWPIlNAjwq9 033pbOBPtbXuB6PKNBn5gZkhGa86Z4x2wE67O+06WxGD/HCOGR0deY3f9Ijwwt7rNGNf6Oac l/GuZTF1wFGKiYYHKSFAkjIo1b6sCYS1sVmFhhhahKQssRjRT90ITWUk6vvK3RsPGs+M1RuR mV+hO/VvFAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Accept-Language: fr, es, en X-Disabled: X-No-Archive: no User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.94 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:150369 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:45947 Archived-At: Jean-Christophe Helary writes: > [...] > That is a possibility but obviously there are much more Japanese or > French people who use their software now than then. Yes, applications. > What good is a software package if it can't be used by linguistically > challenged people ? Linguistically challenged people just cannot program. You cannot translate programming languages. This has been tried several times, BEFORE the Internet existed (eg BASICOIS, a Basic in French, there was also a Pascal in French, and I bet a number of variations in other languages). All these experiment failed, because programs must be readable to be useful, and French is readably only by French people. Pascal is readable by all programmers! Nowadays, with the Internet and the worldwide job market, it's just impossible to translate a programming language. And this is what emacs is. Now if you implement an application in emacs you may try to proposed localized versions. But there are very few applications in emacs, most emacs software keeps the powerful link between the programming environment and the functionalities provided. Does anybody know an emacs applications where you can do _everything_ only using menus and buttons? Or where you would _want_ to do everything that way? -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ PLEASE NOTE: Some quantum physics theories suggest that when the consumer is not directly observing this product, it may cease to exist or will exist only in a vague and undetermined state.