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* matching parenthesis and guillemets
@ 2013-06-13 12:34 henry atts
  2013-06-13 15:17 ` Stefan Monnier
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From: henry atts @ 2013-06-13 12:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: help-gnu-emacs

In text-mode when typing guillemts to indicate direct speech I always
get this message about non matching parenthesis:

`No matching parenthesis found'

Yes, I could disable it with `blink-matching-paren' or set
`show-paren-mode' to nil. But because this affects emacs' global
behaviour this is not what I want.

Why in the first place does emacs think he has to tell me about matching
or not matching guillemets - they are no braquets actually.
And in fact emacs treats the guillemets the wrong way up, the above
message is displayed on the opening guillemet (») and not on a single
closing one («) with a missing match.

henry

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* Re: matching parenthesis and guillemets
  2013-06-13 12:34 matching parenthesis and guillemets henry atts
@ 2013-06-13 15:17 ` Stefan Monnier
  2013-06-13 18:57   ` henry atts
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From: Stefan Monnier @ 2013-06-13 15:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: help-gnu-emacs

> And in fact emacs treats the guillemets the wrong way up, the above
> message is displayed on the opening guillemet (») and not on a single
> closing one («) with a missing match.

Right.  Frenchmen disagree.  How 'bout doing the following:

   (modify-syntax-entry ?« ")»" (standard-syntax-table))
   (modify-syntax-entry ?» "(«" (standard-syntax-table))

Emacs should probably not take sides in this historic battle and just
give those chars a non-paren syntax by default.


        Stefan


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* Re: matching parenthesis and guillemets
  2013-06-13 15:17 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2013-06-13 18:57   ` henry atts
  2013-06-13 19:23   ` Didier Verna
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From: henry atts @ 2013-06-13 18:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: help-gnu-emacs

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>> And in fact emacs treats the guillemets the wrong way up, the above
>> message is displayed on the opening guillemet (») and not on a single
>> closing one («) with a missing match.
>
> Right.  Frenchmen disagree.  How 'bout doing the following:
>
>    (modify-syntax-entry ?« ")»" (standard-syntax-table))
>    (modify-syntax-entry ?» "(«" (standard-syntax-table))

Great! Works fine.

> Emacs should probably not take sides in this historic battle and just
> give those chars a non-paren syntax by default.

+1

>         Stefan

Thanks,
henry

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* Re: matching parenthesis and guillemets
  2013-06-13 15:17 ` Stefan Monnier
  2013-06-13 18:57   ` henry atts
@ 2013-06-13 19:23   ` Didier Verna
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From: Didier Verna @ 2013-06-13 19:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:

> Emacs should probably not take sides in this historic battle and just
> give those chars a non-paren syntax by default.

  Or provide a french-spacing option that would take care of this,
  sentence-end-double-space, colon-double-space and whatnot.

-- 
Resistance is futile. You will be jazzimilated.

Lisp, Jazz, Aïkido: http://www.didierverna.info



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* Re: matching parenthesis and guillemets
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@ 2013-06-13 21:11     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
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From: Pascal J. Bourguignon @ 2013-06-13 21:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: help-gnu-emacs

Didier Verna <didier@didierverna.net> writes:

> Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
>
>> Emacs should probably not take sides in this historic battle and just
>> give those chars a non-paren syntax by default.
>
>   Or provide a french-spacing option that would take care of this,
>   sentence-end-double-space, colon-double-space and whatnot.

And preferably, by detecting whether the text before is in French or in
English. (And similarly for other languages and typographical rules).

-- 
__Pascal Bourguignon__                     http://www.informatimago.com/
A bad day in () is better than a good day in {}.
You can take the lisper out of the lisp job, but you can't take the lisp out
of the lisper (; -- antifuchs


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