From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs history, and "Is Emacs difficult to learn?" Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2013 12:55:05 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87haf72gdy.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> References: <878v0oxfdw.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87a9l4rs76.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <39e6407d-c4fd-4dc1-b47f-a1ba4119c7cb@googlegroups.com> <87iozqzjjq.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <871u6dpjar.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <14bebcfe-2311-4bb3-8154-4cc803962c71@googlegroups.com> <6be5c9a9-ba78-4169-8020-aa9e4c30a759@googlegroups.com> <87fvut16j9.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1375527615 9277 80.91.229.3 (3 Aug 2013 11:00:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 11:00:15 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 03 13:00:18 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V5ZZI-0000HZ-5s for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 13:00:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34161 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V5ZZH-0004J8-Iz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 07:00:15 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!goblin1!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 30 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: SWN/nubmpQxYKwY7hPy4YA.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:iC0C0zdZOsrnvvp8bvvLg1WP8bM= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:200425 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:92692 Archived-At: drain writes: > I prefer the minimalism of org-mode. LaTex clutters the buffer > with code. Secondly, I don't even like the output. I wish all > books would be printed org-mode documents. Clean and > pure. Org-mode should be the standard visual grammar. Oh yeah? Do you have a PDF example of the result? (Or whatever output file you get.) And the corresponding "source", although you said there weren't any? That way, I could compare to my LaTeX stuff, both source and result (.tex and .pdf). Perhaps you are right. But from my experience with LaTeX, you can get just about any result that you can find in a book shop or public library, at the very least. So there isn't any "I don't even like the output" - you can get whatever you like. > The point is, Emacs should speak for itself. Yes, and not just Emacs. I don't know how many times I've seen people get stuck on the deliverer of a message, or the message's form. I show them something, and they instantly scream "after the title, there shouldn't be a dot!" (or period, full stop) - and that guy thinks he is on top, because he is right, but I know that he is also incapable of assessing information, and making a distention of what matters and what doesn't. -- Emanuel Berg - programmer (hire me! CV below) computer projects: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 internet activity: http://home.student.uu.se/embe8573