From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Thorpe Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: RTF for emacs Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 20:24:33 +0100 Message-ID: <87ha4d64r2.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> References: <8761kw0zfy.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1401045921 11059 80.91.229.3 (25 May 2014 19:25:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 19:25:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 25 21:25:14 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Woe2h-0002hq-QH for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 May 2014 21:25:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52848 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Woe2e-00024Z-QE for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 May 2014 15:25:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36249) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Woe2J-0001tt-QM for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 May 2014 15:24:56 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Woe2B-0001J5-Hz for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 May 2014 15:24:47 -0400 Original-Received: from outbound-smtp02.blacknight.com ([81.17.249.8]:51358) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Woe2B-0001Ia-CJ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 May 2014 15:24:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.blacknight.com (pemlinmail04.blacknight.ie [81.17.254.17]) by outbound-smtp02.blacknight.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48BFA983D4 for ; Sun, 25 May 2014 19:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: (qmail 5919 invoked from network); 25 May 2014 19:24:34 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO RTLaptop) (rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com@[109.77.171.68]) by 81.17.254.9 with ESMTPSA (DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 25 May 2014 19:24:34 -0000 In-Reply-To: <8761kw0zfy.fsf@debian.uxu> (message from Emanuel Berg on Sat, 24 May 2014 02:53:37 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 81.17.249.8 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:97853 Archived-At: I appreciate everyone's replies. Emanuel Berg distinguishes between different types of documents. Firstly, there are very simple documents that just contain text, those can be written as text files. There are webpages which can be written in HTML. Large documents can be written using LaTeX. ToDo lists and organization can be written using Org mode. There's another type of document though, those that are simple, but too complex to make using plain text. I was talking about writing letters earlier. Even that case is tricky. Have you tried printing a letter containing Unicode characters? On my Xubuntu 12.04 system that doesn't work, they appear as escape codes. Unfortunately, lots of programs still don't treat UTF-8 correctly. For someone who knows LaTeX writing small documents isn't a problem. I have only done a few simple things with LaTeX. I haven't used AucTex, only Emac's LaTeX mode. In my job I write reports in Microsoft Word, I've never had a opportunity to write a long document in LaTeX. In the future, if I have the time I'd like to learn LaTeX. I understand though that it's a large and complex system, until I read this discussion I didn't know there were so many different dialects withe different capabilities. It would take me months to learn it properly. Similarly, Org mode is complex. I intend to learn that sometime in the future too, but I haven't the time at present. I spend quite a lot of time organizing things, so I expect that'll be time well spent. James Freer asked about this first, I think his situation is similar to mine. I can't justify the time I'd need to learn LaTeX since I'd use it so infrequently. That's why I'll continue using LibreOffice until something better comes along that won't take too long to learn. BR, Robert Thorpe