From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How to copy and paste from unity to emacs in the terminal version ? Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 02:09:59 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87ha15mlk8.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <8af43eeb-8822-4b82-88f3-a31c29276bcf@googlegroups.com> <7zmwb4vggo.fsf@example.com> <8de23d3b-1f0d-4fc4-b205-ab72946ab276@googlegroups.com> <87egwbm5nx.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1408666229 18847 80.91.229.3 (22 Aug 2014 00:10:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 00:10:29 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 22 02:10:22 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XKcQu-0004If-O4 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 02:10:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34510 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XKcQu-0000yB-7e for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2014 20:10:20 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!news.stack.nl!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 64 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: P0uMB9BthHuWo8+BJXB4Mw.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:Hj5i44CZAB9XEDRirZdfjw+IZe8= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:207061 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:99338 Archived-At: Yuri Khan writes: > Oh, now that you two have blown my cover, I have to > confess. I am from an alternate reality where > technical limitations and bad design decisions are > recognized, deprecated and obsoleted at the earliest > opportunity. So, Unicode everywhere (including FTP > and ZIP), keyboard rows are not staggered, and HTML > has been superseded with XHTML which has to be valid > to at least 1.0 Strict before any existing browser > displays even a bit of it. What? > But even in that alternate reality, now and then, > people still miss a bit of a technical limitation > which was in effect at the time of their childhood. > Some develop a CRT-like terminal emulator, some > listen to music on vinyl discs. Perhaps to you it is nostalgia. My first computer was a Mac Plus - well, of course it wasn't mine, it was the first I used, I mean. The OS - perhaps what we would now would call a desktop or window manager - was Finder. I remember upgrading (or switching) to 6.0.7. Finder was the smash hit of the GUIs. And there were some great games like Dark Castle, Beyond Dark Castle, Shadowgate and Prince of Persia. There were also some crossovers from the PC world (like King's Quest, Space Quest etc. from Sierra On-line) which were horrible. (On-line back then was the computer world, as opposed to the paper world.) But I didn't think about the UI at all back then, as a kid. Anyway, somewhere along the way I started using PCs, Windows 95 and XP are the OSs I remember. (I didn't do much DOS at all.) I did VB 5.0 and either C or C++, I don't remember. I did BASIC on the TI calculator and amazingly on the PlayStation 2 as well. I'm actually much more a newcomer to the CLI world than to programming. No, I discovered the CLI and all with the SunOS and later Debian. It took my quite some time to be GNOME-, X-, and mouse-free. So for me it is absolutely not about nostalgia. The moment I saw the terminal I realized it was 100 times better, and I wanted nothing else, but at that time I couldn't do everything I wanted so I had to use X for certain things. RMAIL, then Gnus, and Emacs-w3m were the last nails in the coffin for me. Now I'm not that angry at GUIs, the mouse, and all, anymore, because I don't use them. It is like the police. When you feel they might arrest you or ride into the street rally, you don't like them. But when you are safe and sound you don't think about them or waste any energy being negativistic and angry. -- underground experts united