From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How to alphabetasize sections? Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 21:22:39 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87ha0ahxre.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <87a964jsot.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1410718835 29564 80.91.229.3 (14 Sep 2014 18:20:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 18:20:35 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 14 20:20:27 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XTEPQ-0000uC-1a for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 20:20:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55659 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XTEPP-0003KA-IT for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 14:20:23 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!news.stack.nl!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 61 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: P0uMB9BthHuWo8+BJXB4Mw.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:I/2cxMYJji87zBKPb9Od67/LTf4= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:207610 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:99884 Archived-At: Thien-Thi Nguyen writes: > I don't think there is a "best way" per se in Emacs > (although certainly there are many suboptimal ways, > including not using Emacs at all!), so it depends on > what other attributes one desires from the exercise. > I.e., YMMV. Yes. > and away from those that involve a lot of (high(er) > entropy) Yeah? - the entropy is the directories and the files and the references in the main file? But that stuff contains information as well - OK, the same information as would a huge file - but the same information in a way that is much better suited to, in turn, be communicated to a human. At least those humans who are dealing with file trees all day long: they see a file tree with file names and they don't see slashes and letters and dots. They see purpose and structure. (They see blondes and brunettes...) But: do you see those wenches by looking at a very, very long LaTeX source file, with sections so long they don't fit on a screen by far, making you not even immediately notice there are sections? I think not! > data motion Do you mean when the subdivision is done, or in compilation? That must be considered very slim data motion in both cases. Compilation is already not exactly manual and the subdivision can be automatized if deemed necessary (i.e., large amount of sections). Automatic movement that virtually never fails (at least in the compilation case, just including some files) - is such movement still of bad? (Why is data motion bad at all by the way?) > and manularity. Yes: I don't mind doing it manually! Step one is to realize there need to be order. Step two is to create that order. This will often increase understanding tenfold. For example, a project in C++. Let's say it was somehow implemented so you could have all the C++ source files, the header files, the Makefile, and the object files in one file - and it would even contain the executable binary... Would you want that? No. So where does C++ cross the line where it makes sense to have different files? And where would that line go for LateX? -- underground experts united