From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Heerdegen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Running emacs without any customisation Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 18:19:51 +0200 Message-ID: <87h70amixk.fsf@web.de> References: <87y1tmmmiv.fsf@web.de> <87sfjumm07.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25625"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:CFIqPF9z/fQEaui8XQWlK7woolc= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 11 18:22:14 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oiI1G-0006L3-Ak for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 18:22:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52882 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oiI1E-0002qE-QI for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 12:22:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47094) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oiHzC-0002h1-2z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 12:20:06 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:34304) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oiHzA-00026u-Ns for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 12:20:05 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oiHz8-0003Ku-0U for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 18:20:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:139819 Archived-At: uzibalqa writes: > > It is an error in a package if loading the package has side effects other > > than defining functions and variables, recursively loading other stuff, > > and these things, but not all stuff out there respects that rule. > > > > That could be the case here. > > > > Michael. > > custom-set-variables was introduced when users set their > customisations. If there be side effects, wouldn't it be good that > emacs handles them as well if the init file does not use them. It's equivalent to the halting problem to decide whether the init file uses any side effect. No chance to find that out in general. Michael.