* Emacs as the desktop? @ 2006-03-02 18:30 gamename 2006-03-03 9:16 ` Malte Spiess ` (4 more replies) 0 siblings, 5 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: gamename @ 2006-03-02 18:30 UTC (permalink / raw) Hi, I normally run emacs inside a vnc session with "blackbox" and the desktop manager. Is there any way to simply use Emacs as the desktop manager instead? -T ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs as the desktop? 2006-03-02 18:30 Emacs as the desktop? gamename @ 2006-03-03 9:16 ` Malte Spiess 2006-03-03 20:34 ` gamename 2006-03-04 12:21 ` Dieter Wilhelm ` (3 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Malte Spiess @ 2006-03-03 9:16 UTC (permalink / raw) "gamename" <namesagame-usenet@yahoo.com> writes: > Hi, > > I normally run emacs inside a vnc session with "blackbox" and the > desktop manager. Is there any way to simply use Emacs as the desktop > manager instead? So, do you only want to run Emacs or also other applications? > -T *t ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs as the desktop? 2006-03-03 9:16 ` Malte Spiess @ 2006-03-03 20:34 ` gamename 2006-03-04 20:39 ` Jay Belanger 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: gamename @ 2006-03-03 20:34 UTC (permalink / raw) Malte Spiess wrote: > "gamename" <namesagame-usenet@yahoo.com> writes: > > > Hi, > > > > I normally run emacs inside a vnc session with "blackbox" and the > > desktop manager. Is there any way to simply use Emacs as the desktop > > manager instead? > > So, do you only want to run Emacs or also other applications? Only emacs. > > > -T > > *t ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs as the desktop? 2006-03-03 20:34 ` gamename @ 2006-03-04 20:39 ` Jay Belanger 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Jay Belanger @ 2006-03-04 20:39 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: belanger "gamename" <namesagame-usenet@yahoo.com> writes: > Malte Spiess wrote: >> "gamename" <namesagame-usenet@yahoo.com> writes: >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > I normally run emacs inside a vnc session with "blackbox" and the >> > desktop manager. Is there any way to simply use Emacs as the desktop >> > manager instead? Window manager? >> So, do you only want to run Emacs or also other applications? > > Only emacs. If Emacs is the only app you want to run, and don't use more than one frame, then you can always run Emacs in X without a window manager. If you want an unobtrusive window manager to run Emacs in (not what you asked for, I know), then something like ratpoison would do the job nicely. But you asked about an actual window manager (I think) that is run by Emacs, I don't think there is one, but there is one run by XEmacs, namely XWEM (www.xwem.org). Jay ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs as the desktop? 2006-03-02 18:30 Emacs as the desktop? gamename 2006-03-03 9:16 ` Malte Spiess @ 2006-03-04 12:21 ` Dieter Wilhelm 2006-03-05 13:59 ` Gian Uberto Lauri 2006-03-04 18:15 ` David Hansen ` (2 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Dieter Wilhelm @ 2006-03-04 12:21 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: gamename "gamename" <namesagame-usenet@yahoo.com> writes: > Hi, > > I normally run emacs inside a vnc session with "blackbox" and the > desktop manager. Is there any way to simply use Emacs as the desktop > manager instead? > > -T I probably don't understand your problem. But why not using Emacs without X, just as a terminal application? When enlarging the terminal to full-screen voilà your Emacs-window-manager 8-). -- Best wishes Dieter Wilhelm ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs as the desktop? 2006-03-04 12:21 ` Dieter Wilhelm @ 2006-03-05 13:59 ` Gian Uberto Lauri 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Gian Uberto Lauri @ 2006-03-05 13:59 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: gamename, help-gnu-emacs Quoting Dieter Wilhelm <dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de>: > "gamename" <namesagame-usenet@yahoo.com> writes: > > > Hi, > > > > I normally run emacs inside a vnc session with "blackbox" and the > > desktop manager. Is there any way to simply use Emacs as the desktop > > manager instead? > > > > -T > > I probably don't understand your problem. But why not using Emacs > without X, just as a terminal application? When enlarging the > terminal to full-screen voilà your Emacs-window-manager 8-). You lose some hundred possible colours for highlighting plus a set of benefits from being an X application. You can indeed drop the desktop manager, Emacs or (heresy) not Emacs, there's something called shell that does all a DM does plus more :) Emacs does all that a DM does and more too :) -- /\ ___ /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_____ //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamico \/ e coltivatore diretto di Software ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs as the desktop? 2006-03-02 18:30 Emacs as the desktop? gamename 2006-03-03 9:16 ` Malte Spiess 2006-03-04 12:21 ` Dieter Wilhelm @ 2006-03-04 18:15 ` David Hansen 2006-03-05 5:53 ` William Xu [not found] ` <mailman.40.1141537931.21065.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 4 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: David Hansen @ 2006-03-04 18:15 UTC (permalink / raw) On 2 Mar 2006 10:30:01 -0800 gamename wrote: > Hi, > > I normally run emacs inside a vnc session with "blackbox" and the > desktop manager. Is there any way to simply use Emacs as the desktop > manager instead? Maybe not exactly what you wanted to know, but i find tiling window managers like ratpoison or ion very convenient. David ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs as the desktop? 2006-03-02 18:30 Emacs as the desktop? gamename ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2006-03-04 18:15 ` David Hansen @ 2006-03-05 5:53 ` William Xu 2006-03-05 11:00 ` Xavier Maillard [not found] ` <mailman.40.1141537931.21065.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 4 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: William Xu @ 2006-03-05 5:53 UTC (permalink / raw) "gamename" <namesagame-usenet@yahoo.com> writes: > I normally run emacs inside a vnc session with "blackbox" and the > desktop manager. Is there any way to simply use Emacs as the desktop > manager instead? I found this, http://www.nongnu.org/xwem/, but only for XEmacs. I haven't tried it myself, as i don't use XEmacs. -- William ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs as the desktop? 2006-03-05 5:53 ` William Xu @ 2006-03-05 11:00 ` Xavier Maillard 2006-03-05 12:20 ` William Xu 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Xavier Maillard @ 2006-03-05 11:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: help-gnu-emacs From: William Xu <william.xwl@gmail.com> "gamename" <namesagame-usenet@yahoo.com> writes: > I normally run emacs inside a vnc session with "blackbox" and the > desktop manager. Is there any way to simply use Emacs as the desktop > manager instead? I found this, http://www.nongnu.org/xwem/, but only for XEmacs. I haven't tried it myself, as i don't use XEmacs. I discussed with XWEM original author a while back and adding GNU Emacs support was on his todo list. I do not know if the project is still maintained though. I also read yesterday that someone on the sawfish mailing list wanted to have some kind of interaction between sawfish and GNU Emacs. At last, ion3 comes with mod_ionflux which has now his GNU Emacs module. Mod_ionflux allows one to (remotely or not) control ion3: really neat. Xavier ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs as the desktop? 2006-03-05 11:00 ` Xavier Maillard @ 2006-03-05 12:20 ` William Xu 2006-03-06 0:40 ` David Hansen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: William Xu @ 2006-03-05 12:20 UTC (permalink / raw) Xavier Maillard <zedek@gnu.org> writes: > I discussed with XWEM original author a while back and adding GNU Emacs > support was on his todo list. I do not know if the project is still maintained > though. > > I also read yesterday that someone on the sawfish mailing list wanted to have > some kind of interaction between sawfish and GNU Emacs. > > At last, ion3 comes with mod_ionflux which has now his GNU Emacs module. > Mod_ionflux allows one to (remotely or not) control ion3: really neat. What i'm thinking of now is that, with Emacs being the WM, we could, control other applications just like a buffer or a mode in Emacs. For instance, when there is a firefox, and an Emacs, "C-x 2" can split the screen into two parts, one of them is firefox. This way, it would be very convenient and consistent to manage applications running outside Emacs. -- William ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Emacs as the desktop? 2006-03-05 12:20 ` William Xu @ 2006-03-06 0:40 ` David Hansen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: David Hansen @ 2006-03-06 0:40 UTC (permalink / raw) On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 20:20:40 +0800 William Xu wrote: > What i'm thinking of now is that, with Emacs being the WM, we could, > control other applications just like a buffer or a mode in Emacs. For > instance, when there is a firefox, and an Emacs, "C-x 2" can split the > screen into two parts, one of them is firefox. This way, it would be > very convenient and consistent to manage applications running outside > Emacs. I use ratpoison, with C-q as the prefix for window manager commands: C-q C-x 2, C-q C-x 3, C-q C-x 1, C-q C-x b, ... But it's a pain when you need to run applications that don't like to be managed this way (like gimp). There are other window managers with a similar philosophy that can deal with such applications (e.g. ion or wmi). Or like me, you just run FVWM in a Xnest window. David ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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* Re: Emacs as the desktop? [not found] ` <mailman.40.1141537931.21065.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> @ 2006-03-06 14:09 ` Zajcev Evgeny 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Zajcev Evgeny @ 2006-03-06 14:09 UTC (permalink / raw) William Xu <william.xwl@gmail.com> writes: > "gamename" <namesagame-usenet@yahoo.com> writes: > >> I normally run emacs inside a vnc session with "blackbox" and the >> desktop manager. Is there any way to simply use Emacs as the desktop >> manager instead? > > I found this, http://www.nongnu.org/xwem/, but only for XEmacs. I > haven't tried it myself, as i don't use XEmacs. That is pretty dead link, xwem now hosting separately at http://www.xwem.org xwem runs only under XEmacs and SXEmacs, there was plans porting xwem to GNU Emacs, however there was no volunteers to do the job. However i suspect serious fundamental problems in porting. Some time ago i wrote about it to Kim Storm: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2005-04/msg00136.html If someone really interested in trying to port xwem to GNU Emacs i will provide help as much as needed! As to xwem itself, it is extremely ergonomic and powerfull Desktop for Emacsen .. Main problem why xwem is not widely used is total lack of documentation, however xwem team is very friendly to new users If you are seriously consider making xwem be your desktop also consider SXEmacs. Its FFI feature in conjunction with upcoming xlib-ffi for SXEmacs will make xwem run 10-100 times faster then with native xlib written in Emacs lisp -- lg ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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