From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: pirate bay, w3m, and the interface is just an interface (BEST post ever) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 06:36:52 +0100 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87fvc7lyff.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <87k31v83eb.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419312927 449 80.91.229.3 (23 Dec 2014 05:35:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 05:35:27 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 23 06:35:20 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3I7s-0002AK-7l for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 06:35:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43182 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3I7r-0004ad-6Q for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 00:35:19 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 43 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: feB02bRejf23rfBm51Mt7Q.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:9rBip1AXI+bpbw8YJUO1FucwijA= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:209424 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101703 Archived-At: Paul Rankin writes: > Please don't perpetuate this kind of false Robin > Hood myth, it's wilfully ignorant self-interest > under a thin veil of trumped up "people vs the > system" garbage. Whatever of this self-deception one > practices, the truth is piracy is stealing from real > people. Digital piracy isn't stealing because stealing implies someone loosing something. Here, nothing is lost, on the contrary: it is multiplied. If you are so fond of cinema and books, why don't you want anyone that enjoys them as much as you to have the same access to them? And not just the rich people who can afford to buy it all without discretion? Note that the people who isn't "rich" isn't only third-world peasants living in huts, although they certainly qualify. Even in Europe it is enough for a mother to be divorced, and retired, and to have two sons say who are problematic in behavior and thus don't work, and this is all enough for her private economy to not allow her to go to the cinema, or buy the fancy magazines she likes to read. I think it is you who are advocating stealing, because without piracy, neither the Asian poor peasant or the European poor-but-in-another-way mother in this example will have the culture they need - and frankly, deserve! Don't you agree? Don't you want them to read your books and thus have increased life-quality? People who are successful writers, movie-makers, or musicians will always have money and love and appreciation from themselves and the people around. No one is trying to take that away from them. But you are trying to take the culture away from people who cannot afford it. -- underground experts united