New to Bookmark+: Bookmarks for reading

New to Bookmark+: Bookmarks for reading

[Tory S. Anderson]

I'm making the transition from vanilla bookmarks to bookmark+ and am realizing that BM+ has a completely different level of usage. I look forward to learning it, but for now I'm struggling with the basics. In particular, since I use bookmarks for actual reading, how do I update the bookmark of the current buffer to my new location (within the buffer)? That used to be the default with `C-x r m`, but now that things like tags and information are involved, I'm worried about wiping all of that out every time I "replace" a bookmark. 

Searchign through the bkmp lists doesn't reveal anything for updating. How do I simply (and easily) update the file location the bookmark points to? 

Re: New to Bookmark+: Bookmarks for reading

[Marcin Borkowski]

On 2015-02-03, at 13:59, Tory S. Anderson <torys.anderson@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm making the transition from vanilla bookmarks to bookmark+ and am realizing that BM+ has a completely different level of usage. I look forward to learning it, but for now I'm struggling with the basics. In particular, since I use bookmarks for actual reading, how do I update the bookmark of the current buffer to my new location (within the buffer)? That used to be the default with `C-x r m`, but now that things like tags and information are involved, I'm worried about wiping all of that out every time I "replace" a bookmark. 
>
> Searchign through the bkmp lists doesn't reveal anything for updating. How do I simply (and easily) update the file location the bookmark points to? 

+1: I'd also like this.  (And I'm also looking at bookmark+, though
I had a bit of hiatus.)

Best,

-- 
Marcin Borkowski
http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski
Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science
Adam Mickiewicz University

RE: New to Bookmark+: Bookmarks for reading

[Drew Adams]

> > I'm making the transition from vanilla bookmarks to bookmark+ and am
> > realizing that BM+ has a completely different level of usage. I look forward
> > to learning it, but for now I'm struggling with the basics. In particular,
> > since I use bookmarks for actual reading, how do I update the bookmark of
> > the current buffer to my new location (within the buffer)? That used to be
> > the default with `C-x r m`, but now that things like tags and information
> > are involved, I'm worried about wiping all of that out every time I
> > "replace" a bookmark.
> >
> > Searchign through the bkmp lists doesn't reveal anything for updating. How
> > do I simply (and easily) update the file location the bookmark points to?
> 
> +1: I'd also like this.  (And I'm also looking at bookmark+, though
> I had a bit of hiatus.)

(Replying to Marcin's message, since I haven't (yet) received Tory's
original message, for some reason.)

Bookmark+ uses the same relocation mechanism as vanilla bookmark.el.
Well, it uses a better one ;-), but the idea is essentially the same.

And no, you should not lose any bookmark data when a bookmark is
relocated, whether that relocation is automatic (e.g., when you set
a bookmark or jump to a bookmark) or on-demand (see below).

(See also option `bmkp-save-new-location-flag'.)

But as always, it doesn't hurt to first try out whatever you are
asking about on a single bookmark that you create just for a test
and can then toss.  Consider too that I might misunderstand your
question ;-).  You didn't specify in detail just what you are doing.

In general, do not do anything that affects something important
without first trying it out on something not so important.

Wrt relocating bookmarks on demand: If you hit `?' in *Bookmark List*
then you see this in the middle of the *Help* page.  Note the first
three lines.  Outside *Bookmark List*, use `C-x p r' (same as `r').

,----
| Modify, Delete Bookmarks
| ------------------------
| 
| (See also `Tags', next.)
| 
| r	- Rename or relocate bookmark
| M-r	- Relocate bookmark
| M-R	- Relocate marked bookmarks
| T e	- Edit bookmark's tags
| C-u a	- Edit bookmark's annotation
| e	- Edit internal Lisp record for bookmark
| E	- Edit internal Lisp records of marked bookmarks  (`C-u': all)
| C-M-x	- Toggle temporary/savable status of bookmark
| M-X	- Toggle temporary/savable status of marked bookmarks
| M-x bmkp-delete-all-temporary-bookmarks	- Delete all temp bookmarks
| x	- Delete (visible) bookmarks flagged `D'
| D	- Delete (visible) bookmarks marked `>'
`----

---

And while on the subject of being careful, consider backing up your
bookmark file from time to time.  The Bookmark+ doc for option
`bookmark-version-control' says this:

,----
| bookmark-version-control is a variable defined in `bookmark+-1.el'.
| Its value is t
| 
| Documentation:
| Whether to make numbered backups of your bookmarking files.
| This includes bookmark files such as `bookmark-default-file' and also
| Bookmark+ files `bmkp-bmenu-commands-file' and
| `bmkp-bmenu-state-file'.
| 
| The option can have value `nospecial', `t', `nil', or `never' .  Value
| `nospecial' means to use the `version-control' value.  The others have
| the same meanings as for option `version-control'.
| 
| Use value `t' if your bookmarks are important to you.  Consider also
| using numeric backups.  See also nodes `Backup Names' and `Backup
| Deletion' in the Emacs manual.
| 
| You can customize this variable.
`----

Note that the default value of this option is `t' in Bookmark+,
but it is `nospecial' in vanilla Emacs.

You might also be interested in reading the thread for Emacs bug
#12507: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=12507.

Re: New to Bookmark+: Bookmarks for reading

[Tory S. Anderson]

I think you took a different meaning (although your post is very helpful). My usage is as follows: 

Suppose I've begun reading a lengthy file in a buffer. I bookmark my place to return later: my bookmark is on line 100. Later, I visit the bookmark and resume at line 100. I read for a while and now want to bookmark my place at line 500. With vanilla bookmarks, I would just use `C-x r m`, hit "enter" to use the suggestion (current bookmark), and next time I'll resume at line 500.  

As per your suggestion I've tested out methods in BM+. However, simply resetting (`C-x r m`) DOES lose any tag information, while the name-and-location commands not only force me through extra menus, but seem geared for changes of hard drive location, not line/point location. 

Is there a simple way to update a bookmark's point location in Bookmark+? 

Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

>> > I'm making the transition from vanilla bookmarks to bookmark+ and am
>> > realizing that BM+ has a completely different level of usage. I look forward
>> > to learning it, but for now I'm struggling with the basics. In particular,
>> > since I use bookmarks for actual reading, how do I update the bookmark of
>> > the current buffer to my new location (within the buffer)? That used to be
>> > the default with `C-x r m`, but now that things like tags and information
>> > are involved, I'm worried about wiping all of that out every time I
>> > "replace" a bookmark.
>> >
>> > Searchign through the bkmp lists doesn't reveal anything for updating. How
>> > do I simply (and easily) update the file location the bookmark points to?
>> 
>> +1: I'd also like this.  (And I'm also looking at bookmark+, though
>> I had a bit of hiatus.)
>
> (Replying to Marcin's message, since I haven't (yet) received Tory's
> original message, for some reason.)
>
> Bookmark+ uses the same relocation mechanism as vanilla bookmark.el.
> Well, it uses a better one ;-), but the idea is essentially the same.
>
> And no, you should not lose any bookmark data when a bookmark is
> relocated, whether that relocation is automatic (e.g., when you set
> a bookmark or jump to a bookmark) or on-demand (see below).
>
> (See also option `bmkp-save-new-location-flag'.)
>
> But as always, it doesn't hurt to first try out whatever you are
> asking about on a single bookmark that you create just for a test
> and can then toss.  Consider too that I might misunderstand your
> question ;-).  You didn't specify in detail just what you are doing.
>
> In general, do not do anything that affects something important
> without first trying it out on something not so important.
>
> Wrt relocating bookmarks on demand: If you hit `?' in *Bookmark List*
> then you see this in the middle of the *Help* page.  Note the first
> three lines.  Outside *Bookmark List*, use `C-x p r' (same as `r').
>
> ,----
> | Modify, Delete Bookmarks
> | ------------------------
> | 
> | (See also `Tags', next.)
> | 
> | r	- Rename or relocate bookmark
> | M-r	- Relocate bookmark
> | M-R	- Relocate marked bookmarks
> | T e	- Edit bookmark's tags
> | C-u a	- Edit bookmark's annotation
> | e	- Edit internal Lisp record for bookmark
> | E	- Edit internal Lisp records of marked bookmarks  (`C-u': all)
> | C-M-x	- Toggle temporary/savable status of bookmark
> | M-X	- Toggle temporary/savable status of marked bookmarks
> | M-x bmkp-delete-all-temporary-bookmarks	- Delete all temp bookmarks
> | x	- Delete (visible) bookmarks flagged `D'
> | D	- Delete (visible) bookmarks marked `>'
> `----
>
> ---
>
> And while on the subject of being careful, consider backing up your
> bookmark file from time to time.  The Bookmark+ doc for option
> `bookmark-version-control' says this:
>
> ,----
> | bookmark-version-control is a variable defined in `bookmark+-1.el'.
> | Its value is t
> | 
> | Documentation:
> | Whether to make numbered backups of your bookmarking files.
> | This includes bookmark files such as `bookmark-default-file' and also
> | Bookmark+ files `bmkp-bmenu-commands-file' and
> | `bmkp-bmenu-state-file'.
> | 
> | The option can have value `nospecial', `t', `nil', or `never' .  Value
> | `nospecial' means to use the `version-control' value.  The others have
> | the same meanings as for option `version-control'.
> | 
> | Use value `t' if your bookmarks are important to you.  Consider also
> | using numeric backups.  See also nodes `Backup Names' and `Backup
> | Deletion' in the Emacs manual.
> | 
> | You can customize this variable.
> `----
>
> Note that the default value of this option is `t' in Bookmark+,
> but it is `nospecial' in vanilla Emacs.
>
> You might also be interested in reading the thread for Emacs bug
> #12507: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=12507.

RE: New to Bookmark+: Bookmarks for reading

[Drew Adams]

> `C-x r m` DOES lose any tag information

Ouch! That's a bug (confirmed)- it should not do that, of course.
I'll take a look when I get a moment. Thx.

RE: New to Bookmark+: Bookmarks for reading

[Drew Adams]

> > `C-x r m` DOES lose any tag information
> 
> Ouch! That's a bug (confirmed)- it should not do that, of course.
> I'll take a look when I get a moment. Thx.

This should be OK now.  Please try the latest files on Emacs Wiki,
or wait (up to a day) for them to be mirrored on MELPA.

Thx.