From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: using use-package Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 23:32:28 +0100 Message-ID: <87fv3qpyf7.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <20150805055619.13567.17B26335@ahiker.mooo.com> <17131863-cbb8-4a85-8470-490fe9a0c0d4@googlegroups.com> <66dceb24-5fef-4316-8c8b-e9a3e62b0fb8@googlegroups.com> <3594e2c6-bd02-412f-98df-9dd0f145277a@googlegroups.com> <01b4d996-aad3-44ff-a580-7950b25b7dc8@googlegroups.com> <87r3nbh3n3.fsf@russet.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1439245983 24056 80.91.229.3 (10 Aug 2015 22:33:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 22:33:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 11 00:32:55 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZOvci-000343-Sd for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Aug 2015 00:32:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60432 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZOvch-0007Ej-Oq for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Aug 2015 18:32:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51524) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZOvcX-0007Ee-1f for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Aug 2015 18:32:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZOvcT-000146-R3 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Aug 2015 18:32:41 -0400 Original-Received: from cheviot12.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.234.12]:54714) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZOvcT-00012j-KT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Aug 2015 18:32:37 -0400 Original-Received: from smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk ([10.8.233.129] helo=smtpauth.ncl.ac.uk) by cheviot12.ncl.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1ZOvcR-0006yk-BW; Mon, 10 Aug 2015 23:32:35 +0100 Original-Received: from cpc6-benw10-2-0-cust45.gate.cable.virginm.net ([92.238.179.46] helo=localhost) by smtpauth.ncl.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1ZOvcQ-0001B8-I2; Mon, 10 Aug 2015 23:32:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 10 Aug 2015 17:25:30 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 128.240.234.12 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:106441 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> No, you are missing (several) points of use-package. > > I didn't miss those points. Apologies. > I was just pointing out that use-package won't make it into core as is > because too much of it provides ways to do things which should be done > some other way. So, :load-path, you have a valid point, although this is still useful. Maybe :mode also (although it is hard for some modes to be exhaustive about extensions). And :command. I think I only use these when I use my own packages. But :config, :init, :defer, :disabled and :ensure are really fantastic. And with use-package the way that it is now, if these were in core, it would be a big boon. The others could be separated into a secondary package if necessary and ELPA'd. This could be loaded by use-package without bootstrap issues, I think. This would also work for req-package users. As always, am willing to help if you and the use-package devs are interested in this. Phil