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From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Noob dumb question (extending emacs)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 00:54:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fsskzroz.fsf@zoho.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 8735okj2bx.fsf@zoho.eu

See below, if we remain at 48 bits of entropy, but instead of
60 have an alphabet of only 3 chars, the password length rises
from 8.13 chars to 30.28 ...

Does this tell us that it is equally difficult to randomly
guess the both passwords from the two different configuration
at these lengths, or what does it tell us?

What does "48 bits of entropy" mean BTW?

;;; 48 bits, alphabet length n, password length l
;;; 2^48     = n^l            <=>
;;; 48*ln(2) = l*ln(n)        <=>
;;; l        = 48*ln(2)/ln(n)

(defun epwgen-password-length (bits abc)
  (let ((abc-len (if (numberp abc)
                     abc
                   (when (listp abc)
                     (length abc) ))))
    (when abc-len
      (/ (* bits (log 2)) (log abc-len)) )))

;; (epwgen-password-length 48 60)       ;  8.13
;; (epwgen-password-length 48 '(a b c)) ; 30.28

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-28 22:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-19 22:12 Noob dumb question (extending emacs) Ivano Da Milano
2021-10-20  0:36 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-20  6:34   ` Marcin Borkowski
2021-10-20 18:13     ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2021-10-20  6:53   ` Jean Louis
2021-10-20  8:23     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-20 17:10   ` Ivano Da Milano
2021-10-20 18:41     ` Tassilo Horn
2021-10-20 18:56     ` Ken Goldman
2021-10-20 19:01       ` Ivano Da Milano
2021-10-20 19:45     ` Jean Louis
2021-10-21  5:27       ` Ivano Da Milano
2021-10-21  7:40         ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2021-10-21 15:46           ` Ivano Da Milano
2021-10-21 16:03             ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2021-10-21 17:49               ` Ivano Da Milano
2021-10-21 18:51         ` Jean Louis
2021-10-21 20:02           ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2021-10-21 22:58             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-22  6:59               ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2021-10-22 12:18                 ` Jean Louis
2021-10-22 12:56                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-22 13:14                     ` Yuri Khan
2021-10-22 17:51                       ` Jean Louis
2021-10-22 18:50                         ` Yuri Khan
2021-10-22 19:29                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-22 21:22                           ` Jean Louis
2021-10-23 18:08                             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-24  7:10                               ` Jean Louis
2021-10-24  9:35                                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-24 17:41                                   ` Jean Louis
2021-10-24 18:20                                     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-25  5:47                                       ` Jean Louis
2021-10-25  9:40                                         ` Yuri Khan
2021-10-25 10:23                                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-25 12:41                                           ` Jean Louis
2021-10-25 19:22                                           ` Jean Louis
2021-10-25 19:46                                             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-25 19:52                                               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-25 19:56                                                 ` About randomity, entropy, random passwords - was " Jean Louis
2021-10-25 20:29                                                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-25 20:00                                               ` Jean Louis
2021-10-25 19:56                                             ` Yuri Khan
2021-10-25 20:24                                               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-25 20:34                                                 ` Jean Louis
2021-10-25 20:29                                               ` About randomity, entropy, random passwords - was " Jean Louis
2021-10-28 20:39                                         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-23  8:41                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-23 10:16                             ` Yuri Khan
2021-10-23 10:46                               ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-23 18:27                                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-24  8:16                                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-28  2:24                                     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-28 11:41                                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-28 12:07                                         ` tomas
2021-10-28 20:56                                         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-28 22:54                                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor [this message]
2021-10-31 20:46                                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-01  2:09                                               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-11-01 19:38                                                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-03  1:06                                                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-11-03 21:24                                                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-03 22:16                                                       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-11-05 19:03                                                 ` Jean Louis
2021-11-05 21:50                                                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-31 20:42                                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-05 18:59                                       ` Jean Louis
2021-10-23 12:54                               ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-23 13:07                                 ` Yuri Khan
2021-10-23 18:41                                   ` ERC links to man pages (was: Re: Noob dumb question (extending emacs)) Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-24  7:08                                   ` Noob dumb question (extending emacs) Jean Louis
2021-10-24  8:57                                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-24 17:59                                       ` Jean Louis
2021-10-25  9:18                                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-25  9:33                                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-25 19:44                                             ` Jean Louis
2021-10-25 20:20                                               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-25 20:33                                                 ` Jean Louis
2021-10-25 12:45                                           ` Jean Louis
2021-10-25 13:20                                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-25 19:54                                               ` About randomity, entropy, random passwords - was " Jean Louis
     [not found]                                               ` <YXcLIC+doASdNFll@protected.localdomain>
     [not found]                                                 ` <87cznryfnz.fsf@web.de>
2021-10-26 18:52                                                   ` Jean Louis
2021-10-23 18:22                               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-23 19:52                                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-24  6:43                               ` Jean Louis
2021-10-24  8:28                                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-24 18:03                                   ` Jean Louis
2021-10-24  9:31                                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-24 18:09                                   ` Jean Louis
2021-10-24 18:30                                     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-25  5:31                                       ` Jean Louis
2021-10-28  2:33                                         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-11-05 19:09                                           ` Passwords -- " Jean Louis
2021-11-05 22:00                                             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-23 18:17                             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-24  8:42                               ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-22 18:55                         ` Yuri Khan
2021-10-22 19:30                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-22 21:31                           ` Jean Louis
2021-10-22 22:21                             ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2021-10-23 10:46                             ` Yuri Khan
2021-10-23 18:13                               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-24  7:48                                 ` Yuri Khan
2021-10-24  9:37                                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-24  6:45                               ` Jean Louis
2021-10-24  8:50                                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-24 17:20                                   ` Jean Louis
2021-10-24 18:17                                 ` Yuri Khan
2021-10-24 19:07                                   ` Jean Louis
2021-10-24 19:05                           ` Jean Louis
2021-10-25  0:12                             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-25  3:54                               ` Jean Louis
2021-10-22 18:57                         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-22 18:53                       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-22 17:48                     ` Jean Louis
2021-10-22 19:26                       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-21 19:45     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-20  4:04 ` Ivano Da Milano
2021-10-20  5:46 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2021-10-20  5:58   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
     [not found]   ` <CAPWV0kyjr0=FrkVkH+Wf573fddX3pM4iiEfkQJ6oe1J_pQuNPA@mail.gmail.com>
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2021-10-20 18:31         ` Fwd: " Ivano Da Milano
2021-10-20  6:50 ` Jean Louis
2021-10-20  8:20   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-20 14:13     ` Jean Louis
2021-10-21 19:56       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-23 10:51         ` Tassilo Horn
2021-10-23 18:36           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor

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