From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jorge P. de Morais Neto" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Poll: best hackable window manager or DE for Emacs-loving freedom activists Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2021 20:58:06 -0300 Message-ID: <87fssbiicx.fsf@disroot.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27486"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 05 00:58:58 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mimdG-0006yO-IJ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 00:58:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44620 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mimdF-0008Sd-JZ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 04 Nov 2021 19:58:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34334) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mimcl-0008S8-Hj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Nov 2021 19:58:28 -0400 Original-Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([178.21.23.139]:41896) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mimch-0000rL-Rm for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Nov 2021 19:58:27 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by disroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 284EF6E0CC for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2021 00:58:19 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at disroot.org Original-Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (disroot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wTbP8oPhBDi2 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2021 00:58:17 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1636070297; bh=7aBnDV2dw7vvJWbnAF28yg0090oZSMGWJIB9EcdZ/do=; h=From:To:Subject:Date; b=O9ylOP9la5A3DtD9rBRpimJxG5gGfOa7hq+DunckiQTGL4jBzi1vH77HFUfMHWcgF FqJBEeoLItC2i/cxQIUMmbHpE7hJGFqWsuTyPRVyU7ls/F2LtYjEMLZGRY8RsInu8V N5yrEG1A+oXehXNF0LhBpxabrlAP0XsG8eOBWhjHsBATEGWq7JWlueIxxBnIf1U8rt BOW6yXpK3Cdn9ncy2JLKSiCBI+gHhc7iAwJswm3UzivMLzl+JPB858KQR1/7xsbons 7nfcPOXw07KQ/9b+mIuIrbuwDImU3MrG7Vk5qyC5gOW+9JSMY+sV1NPQ/Gy85KggqJ 6stB6AwD/Wqkg== Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received-SPF: pass client-ip=178.21.23.139; envelope-from=jorge+list@disroot.org; helo=knopi.disroot.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:134362 Archived-At: Hi. I love digital ethics, GNU and Emacs! Which keyboard-driven hackable window manager (WM) or desktop environment (DE) do you recommend? I currently use GNOME 3 DE. Years ago I used Enlightenment, Xfce and Fluxbox but then I migrated to GNOME to learn a good libre and user friendly DE so I could assist unskilled users such as my family. I have now reconsidered---I want a hackable keyboard-driven WM or DE. I'll keep GNOME installed as plan B for difficulties with the hacker WM. Also, once in a while I will use GNOME just to preserve useful knowledge for assisting unskilled users. I also want to remap keys, so for example in IceCat and Gajim C-n will mean as in Emacs. I have read this is easy on StumpWM, I hope it is also easy in i3 and EXWM. I would also prefer a WM with a system tray, so it is easy (for example) to check for new messages on Gajim. So far I am divided between i3 and EXWM. EXWM would likely be cooler and more hackable but lacks Wayland support, and Wayland is the near future. I don't want to have to learn another hacker WM for Wayland. So the leading candidate is i3, since Sway implements i3 concepts on Wayland. I read it even accepts i3 config files. Thus: * Poll: best hackable and keyboard-driven WM/DE for sw freedom activists 1. i3/Sway 2. EXWM 3. Ratpoison 4. StumpWM 5. Awesome 6. bspwm 7. xmonad 8. GNOME 9. Mate 10. XFCE 11. LXDE 12. Other---specify: Should support key remapping and be future-proof (Wayland). Ideally hackable in Elisp, Guile Scheme, Common Lisp or Bash; Python and C OK. Low resource usage is desirable but good features take priority. Regards -- - Many people hate injustice but few check the facts; this causes more injustice. Ask me about - Please adopt free/libre formats like PDF, Org, LaTeX, ODF, Opus, WebM and 7z. - Libre apps for AOSP (Replicant, LineageOS, etc.) and Android: F-Droid - https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html "What is free software?"