From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: A peek to the other side Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 19:17:20 +0000 Message-ID: <87fsoalni7.fsf@posteo.net> References: <20b21712-c4a2-496f-ab7b-d0d6d2232ddf@www.fastmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18287"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Emanuel Berg To: "Samuel Banya" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 22 20:19:30 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nMah8-0004WO-4i for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Feb 2022 20:19:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36418 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nMah6-0000Yi-TJ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Feb 2022 14:19:28 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42842) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nMaf9-0007rJ-9C for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Feb 2022 14:17:27 -0500 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:40713) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nMaf5-0004Jy-UX for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Feb 2022 14:17:26 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4ECB8240029 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2022 20:17:21 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1645557441; bh=gDBUnYPGfWYkWii9zPyGVcIfiF+kGfyxIf6n+dlcT4s=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=qpA4cFQYce0G3QSwrfZ4YibJfh+IPl1k0cP4P2kpKDoUbN522PQ2oi6DNVt9UC1Jf Mxz01KzlYcvW1wHGF8LT4Zc9R/KqPzBTvKAP3e5jW50U67rl7i6kOiGM9Fl5g3hK+N yH7iBtYsMmjfdzCcDnE1EM5b1n5fKQTb4NomZ+TovcjDdUPU8L2lQ3yxHe80+noBLA QFonpoSGjrxQ8Wz7ZP2vRG4xFPFsbzyZPjUZBlw3JZ/YO1uUnNi8TnUmrKNd++K7XB pA2zlP9La5JmQ2XArU8mvWwDvGYvz9MGIU2A1IHyt7PqA+n4/G/d2fLvsFzxGUWB/+ 8KOMfJP7A8G4A== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4K387N6K4bz9rxB; Tue, 22 Feb 2022 20:17:20 +0100 (CET) Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEYHHqUhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAp3GdmYJ6tm5McweY6dEvIYIiry+Oz9rU4MH6NHWK0Ee0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiQBBMWCAA4FiEEDM2H44ZoPt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJ CAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQtVrAHPRh1FyTkgEAjlbGPxFchvMbxzAES3r8QLuZgCxeAXunM9gh io0ePtUBALVhh9G6wIoZhl0gUCbQpoN/UJHI08Gm1qDob5zDxnIHuDgEYHHqUhIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQNcRB+MUimTMqoxxMMUERpOR+Q4b1KgncDZkhrO2ql1tAwEIB4h4BBgWCAAgFiEEDM2H44Zo Pt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwwACgkQtVrAHPRh1Fw1JwD/Qo7kvtib8jy7puyWrSv0MeTS g8qIxgoRWJE/KKdkCLEA/jb9b9/g8nnX+UcwHf/4VfKsjExlnND3FrBviXUW6NcB In-Reply-To: <20b21712-c4a2-496f-ab7b-d0d6d2232ddf@www.fastmail.com> (Samuel Banya's message of "Tue, 22 Feb 2022 13:21:04 -0500") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:136152 Archived-At: "Samuel Banya" writes: > The only good thing about VS Code was that it created more LSP servers for LSP Mode. > > Otherwise, spyware by default is not good for anyone (and yes, it is not easy for the average person to remove). Not only that, but it pushes non-free "plug-ins" that break if you decided to use a De-Microsofted version of the editor (I believe the live-collaboration package, and remote access are examples of such plug-ins, but there are also LSP servers like pylance that per license are only allowed to be used with MS VS Code). > Still grateful for LSP Mode :) > > On Tue, Feb 22, 2022, at 2:11 AM, emacsq via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor wrote: >> I tried making a Visual Studio Code extension to see how it could be make more emacs-like if I had to use it for something. >> >> If you didn't you don't know how lucky you are with the integrated Elisp manual. It doesn't have an integrated manual, you have to browse a huge HTML file to find some API call : >> >> https://code.visualstudio.com/api/references/vscode-api >> >> And as usual with APIs (unlike Emacs' open system) you can only access what the developers expose via the API which is very limiting compared to Emacs. >> You can't change everything, so you don't shoot yourself in the foot. I prefer Emacs' approach where I can even break the system, which is a great learning experience. > -- Philip Kaludercic