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From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@posteo.net>
To: Marcin Borkowski <mbork@mbork.pl>, Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Is there a way of setting a variable only when it exists?
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 06:02:59 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fsnijuy4.fsf@posteo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a6drviwp.fsf@mbork.pl>

Marcin Borkowski <mbork@mbork.pl> writes:

> On 2022-03-14, at 14:48, Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> wrote:
>
>> Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor wrote:
>>
>>>> I assume it would be fairly easy to code such a macro
>>>> (using `boundp'), but maybe it exists already?
>>>
>>> AFAIK it doesn't exist yet. The reason for it is that it is
>>> not often useful. Typically there are two cases:
>>>
>>> - If the var exist, you want to set it and if not you have
>>>   no fallback. In that case, it is typically harmless to set
>>>   the var even when it doesn't exist, so the code just uses
>>>   `setq` without bothering to test `boundp`.
>>>
>>> - If the var exist you want to set it, and if it doesn't you
>>>   want to do something else. In that case, the something
>>>   else tends to depend on the specifics so (if (boundp 'foo)
>>>   (setq foo ..) ...) is about s good as it gets.
>>
>> If it exists set it with `setq'. If it doesn't exist, create
>> and set it ... with `setq'?
>
> What if it's an internal Emacs variable which might become a user option
> one day (I submitted a bug report about it) and then my customization
> silently disappears?  It's the "silently" part I want to guard
> against...

What about doing an assert of sorts

(message "some--internal-var is %S" some--internal-var)
(setq some--internal-var 42)

It will crash your init process if some--internal-var is void.

--
Tomas



  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-03-16  6:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-14  6:00 Is there a way of setting a variable only when it exists? Marcin Borkowski
2022-03-14 12:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-03-14 13:16 ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-14 13:48   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-15  6:17     ` Marcin Borkowski
2022-03-15  6:50       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-15  6:58       ` Jean Louis
2022-03-15  7:45         ` Marcin Borkowski
2022-03-15  8:12           ` Jean Louis
2022-03-15  7:49         ` tomas
2022-03-15  8:13           ` Jean Louis
2022-03-15  8:36             ` tomas
2022-03-15  9:28               ` Jean Louis
2022-03-15 10:01                 ` tomas
2022-03-15 11:29                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-15  8:14           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-15 15:33         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-03-15 15:38       ` Drew Adams
2022-03-16 18:32         ` Marcin Borkowski
2022-03-16  0:47       ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-03-16 18:33         ` Marcin Borkowski
2022-03-16  6:02       ` Tomas Nordin [this message]
2022-03-16  6:37         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-16 18:34         ` Marcin Borkowski
2022-03-15  6:48     ` Jean Louis
2022-03-14 22:09 ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-03-15  6:16   ` Marcin Borkowski
2022-03-15  7:05     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-16  0:25     ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-03-16 18:33       ` Marcin Borkowski
2022-03-16 19:25         ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-03-18  5:58           ` Marcin Borkowski
2022-03-16 20:35         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-17 20:47           ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-18  5:59             ` Marcin Borkowski
2022-03-18 17:59           ` Jean Louis
2022-03-19  9:25             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor

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