From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
To: Dr Rainer Woitok <rainer.woitok@gmail.com>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: (interactive) and &optional
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2023 13:12:48 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fs9t3rfz.fsf@posteo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <25630.60070.913514.100455@woitok.gmail.com> (Rainer Woitok's message of "Sat, 25 Mar 2023 13:35:51 +0100")
Dr Rainer Woitok <rainer.woitok@gmail.com> writes:
> Philip,
>
> On Thursday, 2023-03-23 19:20:29 +0000, you wrote:
>
>> ...
>> > as expected, while calling "M-x fun" and then just typing "RET" at the
>> > prompt returns
>> >
>> > val:.\n
>> >
>> > that is, an empty symbol or string.
>>
>> Right.
>
> That's a bit flabbergasting: experimenting some more with my function, I
> found that "symbolp" really returns t in case of empty responses, mean-
> ing there really is such a thing as an empty symbol. So how can I test
> for an empty symbol?
I am guessing it is not an "empty symbol" (to my knowledge the term is
not defined), but rather the fact that `nil' is a symbol. Depending on
what you did, it might also be that you are interning the empty string,
which creates a symbol with an empty string as the symbol name -- which
is not unique.
> There doesn't seem to be a function "symbol-empty-
> p" while, strictly speaking, "string-empty-p" shouldn't be applyable to
> symbols at all, should it?
No, trivially because a symbols is not a string, and shouldn't be
regarded as similar data types. Depending on the context, it might be
totally justified to regard the symbol name of a symbol as totally
incidental.
> Does an empty symbol have an external repre-
> sentation like an empty list or string, allowing the use of "eq"?
A symbol is eq to all other symbols that were either created by passing
the same (equal) string to `intern' or by the same invocation of
`make-symbol'. That could be useful if you are trying to handle a
symbol that as an empty string as the symbol name -- but at that point I
think it would be better to just check the string before it is interned.
> Sincerely,
> Rainer
--
Philip Kaludercic
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-03-25 13:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-03-23 19:10 (interactive) and &optional Dr Rainer Woitok
2023-03-23 19:20 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-03-25 12:35 ` Dr Rainer Woitok
2023-03-25 13:12 ` Philip Kaludercic [this message]
2023-03-25 14:33 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-03-25 15:36 ` Dr Rainer Woitok
2023-03-25 16:58 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-03-23 20:01 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-03-24 9:23 ` Jean Louis
2023-03-24 20:52 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-03-24 21:07 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-03-27 1:52 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-03-27 2:40 ` John Yates
2023-03-24 21:42 ` Jean Louis
2023-03-26 1:04 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-03-30 19:04 ` Jean Louis
2023-03-25 12:05 ` Dr Rainer Woitok
2023-03-25 14:32 ` Jean Louis
2023-03-25 15:41 ` Dr Rainer Woitok
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