From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Powe Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: New Emacs with GTK! Date: 19 Apr 2003 16:00:44 -0400 Organization: The Hospice of the Mind Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <87el3yxno3.fsf@cecilia.trollope.org> References: <84smsg46kl.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1050784515 15994 80.91.224.249 (19 Apr 2003 20:35:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 20:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 19 22:35:14 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 196z3J-00049g-00 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:35:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 196z3h-00008A-01 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:35:37 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!129.250.175.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 40 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: p-018.newsdawg.com X-Home-Page: http://www.trollope.org X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.8.8/GNU Emacs 21.2.1 [Linux 2.4.5] X-PGP: http://www.trollope.org/pgp.txt User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/21.2 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:112126 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:8625 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:8625 >>>>> "Kai" == Kai Großjohann writes: Kai> dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) writes: >> In article <87vfyai2ur.fsf@wassern.consult-meyers.com>, >> A. L. Meyers wrote: >>> Don't be so sure, Niels. >>> The text console is alive and thriving, e. g. with the frame >>> buffer device, which may lead to a renaissance of the text >>> console. >> What *is* this frame buffer device? Kai> It's a part of the Linux kernel and allows you to do more Kai> with the text console under Linux than a VT-100 can do. (I Kai> gather you can show images with the framebuffer device and Kai> such.) framebuffer will allow you to do "ansi" style graphics (the kind you used to do on BBS all that long time ago). svgalib on steriods. it also allows you to use proportional fonts. but, my experience has been that they look horrible in an ordinary monitor. (i have a gateway ev700 17", with a 32Mb radeon video card, e.g.) i prefer plain old "terminal" output. i can't even love the syntax highlighting in the console from the latest emacs. the problem with framebuffer is that you can't hide the fact that a pixel is not square, so "squares" on the screen are portrayed as rectangles and most fonts are distorted. imo, if you want graphics, use X. mp -- Michael Powe Waterbury, CT USA ------------------------------------------------------------------- "It stands to reason that self-righteous, inflexible, single-minded, authoritarian true believers are politically organized. Open-minded, flexible, complex, ambiguous, anti-authoritarian people would just as soon be left to mind their own fucking business." - R.U. Sirius