From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jeremy Hankins Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Hard to switch from vi Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 06:57:14 -0400 Organization: None Message-ID: <87ejth3gfp.fsf@wasp.nowan.org> References: <20061009001242.GB6779@marita.homelinux.net> <4529F5D8.7060200@student.lu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1160394379 18165 80.91.229.2 (9 Oct 2006 11:46:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:46:19 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 09 13:46:17 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWtTI-0008NP-HO for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 13:39:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWtT3-0004w2-03 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 07:38:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GWtSn-0004r4-Ry for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 07:38:29 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GWtSg-0004et-Dk for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 07:38:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWtSg-0004ee-9y for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 07:38:22 -0400 Original-Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GWtaB-0006tc-4w for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 07:46:09 -0400 Original-Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GWtKc-0005ZP-JN for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 13:30:04 +0200 Original-Received: from vtelinet-66-220-245-132.vermontel.net ([66.220.245.132]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 13:30:02 +0200 Original-Received: from nowan by vtelinet-66-220-245-132.vermontel.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 13:30:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 20 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: vtelinet-66-220-245-132.vermontel.net Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAGFBMVEULMAUzSyRZaUF5hl2S mHCysorm2a/HwZqMSkpRAAAACXBIWXMAAABkAAAAZAAPlsXdAAAARnRFWHRSYXcgcHJvZmlsZSB0 eXBlIGFwcDEyAAphcHAxMgogICAgICAxNQo0NDc1NjM2Yjc5MDAwMTAwMDQwMDAwMDAzNjAwMDAK kIvs3wAAAXpJREFUOMu9lLFOAkEQhr89TyvBPUAKG1AJLSYYW0RN7NQYH8HoC+hj6Atg4gsYjY2N iZJYYmONnhhbw61EK/DWYiGBPa7UrSb3ZWb+f2Zy7gHjn8tfAJF488YB0Wi/HasxYNpX4s6bj4Dw BEQ6F8mYPgUKOamGgdDwCiAY7ZF4KOEBTsWS67+U8IHZiI82ug6iYoNMRTYAZCQjXwuACZCWQScA SBE+WT4cTKeEb4EQgN6FWLZ6JE2sjtQoEOdmvBvKUtU1H4p5W+6MibaVDUyllIpZbT6yc61iwCAj Uuon7nyMKFrSBi0T1XcizenP0Ab9UwqJydBxcrW0RyL6txvx8WXlegRC44IjFSCz/Yp+SwbpqnJB L9VhcnUKgMR1eRHxcbnrAuU6MH+zdVcWzfc1QKfXlQt0AO977iyjb7PVgXYX+PECJIVs96JYGlLV u9KHtXYzTPqdPTks995ZCPb9x2fSR6NXsjIDKrWZFMpybtahP//llzH6fgGtSm7N1PqS6gAAABp6 VFh0SlBFRy1Db2xvcnNwYWNlAAB42jMCAAAzADMRFn5jAAAAJXpUWHRKUEVHLVNhbXBsaW5nLWZh Y3RvcnMAAHjaM6ww1DGEYAARbwLnIJ7wIwAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:k6Mh5EdNp/C43p+iWJvvdXzCQ3o= X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:37918 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman writes: > Do you know about Viper, a really good vi emulator inside Emacs? At > least it is very good in Emacs 22. Emacs 22 is not yet released but very > stable and will hopefully soon be in pretest. > > See http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/ViperMode I second viper. I used vi for many years before starting to use emacs (so that I could use gnus), and I don't think I'd be able to give up the command-mode/insert-mode distinction. It's just too keyboard-friendly. I personally consider viper to be more of an implementation of vi in elisp; it generally works quite well with other emacs modes without interfering with their use. There are a few exceptions, though -- I'd love to get viper to work better with folding.el, for example. -- Jeremy Hankins PGP fingerprint: 748F 4D16 538E 75D6 8333 9E10 D212 B5ED 37D0 0A03