From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Niels Giesen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: learning Emacs Lisp Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:58:35 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: <87ej1iqeck.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87k5bbjzvo.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <87ljvrl2l0.fsf@gmail.com> <1226386178.846337@nntp.acecape.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1226433595 816 80.91.229.12 (11 Nov 2008 19:59:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:59:55 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 11 21:00:57 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KzzPi-0004rp-9n for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:00:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52329 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KzzOY-0002al-Cu for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:59:26 -0500 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!news.glorb.com!news.eternal-september.org!news.motzarella.org!motzarella.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 21 Original-X-Trace: news.eternal-september.org U2FsdGVkX18G72mt4ecz6huOn3x5fs9ZeiEmN6zklPVsUaVmLaKawzlBT1+mIpi7Ir7lu2yxO3Prx0lTGRb6fA6JC8ZMnSle6+yItNIAAuGB3/hAUD3h1RBvB2VA5YSE9xwaKaznxnv5ODsfCkhDcw== Original-X-Complaints-To: Please send complaints to abuse@motzarella.org with full headers Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:58:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+CrKsQQ5b1P2bD+hxZGN6o Cancel-Lock: sha1:gnV/G+9sieroVKk8j77Ye8Kp3Ck= sha1:CJWSLSzLowfO6ZiUwdcT8k82550= User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:164330 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:59665 Archived-At: Reply to all First of all I'd like to say I do not think Xah's tutorial is in the category of texts I described. It is a fine introduction and teaches by example, by explaining in plain English the set goals and in Lisp the ways to achieve. The link to his tutorial is fine with me. Xah get's it right /not/ to draw on knowledge of other languages and it is no use advertising his tutorial as being suitable for average C&c programmers (which it sure may be, but other people can be scared away from it precisely because of that). Which is what I read in Richards post, but I may be reading too much between the lines there. I might have read the original message by Richard better, and admit having jumped at the 'average C/C++ programmer' bit. This comes from my perceived habit of writers assuming working knowledge in Y, and not properly advertising it as 'X for Yniks', while all the reader wants is to learn X. I thought this was such a case. Apparently not.