From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Phil Carmody Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs's popularity Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:03:15 +0200 Organization: Saunalahti Customer Message-ID: <87ej082rxo.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org> References: <2103fd36-c5cd-4e8d-a74f-34697a369934@a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <87skop8cc7.fsf@iki.fi> <20081215210907.GB3848@groll.co.za> <87ljuh86il.fsf@iki.fi> <878wqg4alp.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org> <87r6482t6l.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1229434965 4343 80.91.229.12 (16 Dec 2008 13:42:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:42:45 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 16 14:43:51 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LCaD6-0005Ed-Mt for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:43:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41369 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LCaBu-00039I-R3 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:42:26 -0500 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!news.glorb.com!news2!feeder.erje.net!feeder2.news.saunalahti.fi!reader1.news.saunalahti.fi!53ab2750!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:aix1crokWJA5SDcCw7H14JNogXc= Original-Lines: 48 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 83.143.57.195 Original-X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@saunalahti.com Original-X-Trace: reader1.news.saunalahti.fi 1229432494 83.143.57.195 (Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:01:34 EET) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:01:34 EET Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:165355 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:60687 Archived-At: "Juanma Barranquero" writes: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 13:36, Phil Carmody > wrote: > >> Opening files? > > Starting, opening a file, and exiting. > > If vi loads a file much faster than Emacs in normal usage, that's a > cause for concern Subtract the 'start, quit' time from the 'start, open file, quit' time. That's the file open time. Is vim loading a file at twice the speed of emacs cause for concern? > , specially if we're talking of a long time (more > than a few tenths of seconds, well into the seconds). But the examples > were "start, read file, quit". For that kind of thing the user would > use emacsclient/server. Emacs almost expects to start once a day > (week, etc.) at most. That's why I specifically pointed out "opening files" above. That's why I specifically gave a 'start, quit' time so that the start and the quit could be subtracted from the 'start, open, quit' time. You don't seriously think that I was considering 'start, quit' to be an actual usage scenario whose time is important, do you? > Note that I'm not saying that is the "right" way to use Emacs; just > that it is more optimized for that kind of pattern. I start Emacs many > times a day (though, truth be told, startup time has never been > problematic, unless you happen to open etc/HELLO ;-) My emacses, and alas I seem to have to have 2 open, stay open for roughly 1 months (the GNUS one), and 1 week (the code editing one). The reason I don't use the client/server setup is that I absolutely do not want C/Perl code buffers appearing or being offered to me while I'm doing stuff in GNUS, and I absolutely do not want newsgroup/ SCORE buffers appearing or being offered to me when I'm doing stuff with coding. Is there any way to keep these two sessions independent and still use the client/server setup? Phil -- I tried the Vista speech recognition by running the tutorial. I was amazed, it was awesome, recognised every word I said. Then I said the wrong word ... and it typed the right one. It was actually just detecting a sound and printing the expected word! -- pbhj on /.