From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: reddit Date: Sun, 03 May 2015 01:28:40 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87egmytv87.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <87fv7hoxnd.fsf@debian.uxu> <87y4l6ubf0.fsf@debian.uxu> <87oam2u7og.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1430609120 32655 80.91.229.3 (2 May 2015 23:25:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 23:25:20 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 03 01:25:20 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yogmc-0007HB-Rx for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 May 2015 01:25:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58105 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yogmb-0005h7-VH for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 May 2015 19:25:17 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!news.etla.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 67 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: feB02bRejf23rfBm51Mt7Q.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:SzgGpl0nE7ZJdW7JPCcJrcO25EQ= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:211882 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:104166 Archived-At: Jai Dayal writes: > Well in the context of technology, modern generally > means tools that keep up-to-date with the latest > improvements and changes in technology and culture. Emacs should be up-to-date with improvements if they actually are improvements and apply to the Emacs field, which granted is big. You'll see there is constant activity with Emacs all over the place. If, even so, none of that picks up on the supposed improvements, that tells me it probably wasn't worthwhile to begin with. And that brings me to the next point, which is, what improvements exactly do you have in mind, which Emacs hasn't benefited from because of negligence from the Emacs community? > Who's going to take carry Emacs over for the next > few generations? Those with skills and style. > These excuses of "hey, look, I can implement that > feature in 10k lines of Elisp!! Emacs is just as > usable and feature-full!!!!!!!!" just don't fly in > the today's world where there are 10's of IDEs that > have an easier user experience. What features are you talking about? And how do you think those features are implemented in those IDEs? Besides, what are those IDEs? Eclipse? MS Access? If you are used to clicking the mouse and browsing menus and all that there is a transition phase when you re-learn. This is nothing dramatic and very pleasant because you literally feel the power increasing for every keystroke (at least in the beginning). Because it is more pleasant, fun, and interesting, growth is exponential. You'll smash through the roof of those IDEs in no time. Also, how "easy" something is day one doesn't matter. It is how *powerful* it is the 100th day, and the 1000th day - and how much you enjoy doing it. > Reddit and stackexchange are far more user friendly > than antiquated mailing lists Just like with Emacs and the shell, with mailing lists (newsgroups), you can be who you want to be and do what you want to do. You can get new skills and new realizations. You can even behave like a moron. This is what I mean by self-expression. On the SX-sites - just try to write what you just wrote and see what happens! > liberalism always wins out over dogmatic old-school > conservatism I think the dogmatism is on the IDEs and forums and SX-sites where the rules (dogmatism) is built-in. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573