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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c09::234 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:114702 Archived-At: Tim Johnson writes: > * Robert Pluim [171030 01:29]: >> Tim Johnson writes: >> >> > Using GNU Emacs 25.1.1 on Ubuntu 14.04 >> > >> > I have no pressing need to know, but am just curious: >> > >> > Alt-n, Alt-p, ESC-n, ESC-p are undefined on my emacs. >> > >> >> In which mode? I don't think there's a global binding for those >> keys. Put another way: what did you expect them to be bound to? > > I had no expectations as to what they might be bound to. I > surmised that it might be some historical issue. > Propably. Not many keyboards these days are configured to generate both Alt and Meta, so most bindings are on Meta. > Since these key combinations are so handy, one might be tempted to > use them globally. That might mean that a subsequent utilization > of a mode using them would get clobbered. > Yes, that's always a risk with personal bindings, which is why you have the C-c letter space. > Would not binding these key combinations to a mode violate the > conventions as laid out here: > https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Key-Binding-Conventions.html > ? > I don't think so. That just talks about not ending a key-binding with ESC. Robert