From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: url-retrieve fails on most HTTPS sites Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 11:49:07 +0200 Message-ID: <87eemkrjzg.fsf@ebih.ebihd> References: <87sgb1my75.fsf@hypra-graner> <87k0wdsde8.fsf@ebih.ebihd> <20200928232459.GA128690@scrozzle> <87blhpsc4b.fsf@ebih.ebihd> <871rils1sc.fsf@ebih.ebihd> <20200929093123.GC31698@tuxteam.de> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38048"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:ruM8lCs+ZwJOWvmCoQI1BFIdKJ8= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 29 11:50:58 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kNCHi-0009ji-Gy for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 11:50:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39444 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNCHh-0005O3-G5 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 05:50:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36728) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNCG9-0004mx-E0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 05:49:21 -0400 Original-Received: from static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de ([116.202.254.214]:46428 helo=ciao.gmane.io) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNCG3-0007nM-Vo for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 05:49:21 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kNCG1-0007k5-0S for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 11:49:13 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/29 05:49:13 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.199, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:124194 Archived-At: tomas wrote: > Things become more interesting if the thing coming > after #' is a symbol, like in #'car. The use case, at least mine, is to denote functions so the byte-compiler can check if they are defined. Makes development faster and more pleasant... Yeah ... what _is_ the origin/reason of this thing, deep down? That symbols are not only a value or a function but both, and more? symbol-function symbol-value ... > Then we all know we are talking about car's > symbol-function. This allows the human code readers > and the compiler to be smarter about the code. Yeah, however what gain is there to mucking with that? That cannot be solved, or solved in a worse way, with "dedicated symbols", I guess? (Not a rhetorical question.) -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal