From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: not good proposal: "C-z " reserved for users Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:14:14 +0100 Message-ID: <87eehi4wrd.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <871rdk4c1m.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <640551af-d035-f133-3b98-fe7c7a06279d@yandex.ru> <87im6u51o6.fsf@posteo.net> <9ff9c549-0445-8e77-0375-ef74bfcc20ee@yandex.ru> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1212"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:5fbAxtAh5Qwx/RUMnobgSOcZTm4= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 14 14:16:02 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lBHFq-0000AU-Cx for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:16:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53338 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lBHFp-0005WN-DF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 08:16:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46192) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lBHEK-0005W0-Dm for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 08:14:28 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:35168) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lBHEH-0001BV-4N for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 08:14:28 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lBHEC-0008mp-Sk for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:14:20 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:128022 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov wrote: > I'm happy to accommodate terminal users in my packages, I'm > just saying they don't necessarily use the terminal for its > extra features, job control in particular. OK, if that's the way it should be, I'm not gonna be any less generous. So here it is: GUI users can use my Elisp as well! Even those who don't play Quake. Because I know and accept, not all of them do. ... Oh, no! I just realized! Because that's exactly right! Quake doesn't have a GUI, it even has a text command interpreter! So it is the worst possible example! Ma-an, I'm so embarrassed, me and my words - I should have said Pizza Tycoon instead... But this shouldn't be about me. It should be about Emacs. I have to snap out of it for our greater cause. So now it seems the big issue is - how do we bridge the insurmountable pit, that has opened itself, tearing the Emacs community (or "nation") apart, with two seemingly fundamentally different computer user types (races, if you will), on either side? -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal