From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs new user. Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:20:50 +0200 Message-ID: <87d4w76fal.fsf@ambire.localdomain> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1190661815 28698 80.91.229.12 (24 Sep 2007 19:23:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:23:35 +0000 (UTC) To: gnu-emacs-help@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 24 21:23:30 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IZtWa-0004mk-H1 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:23:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IZtWX-0003g0-Mm for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:23:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IZtVZ-00030G-Pg for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:22:17 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IZtVY-0002yj-4E for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:22:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IZtVX-0002yI-Sa for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:22:16 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IZtVX-0002fv-IE for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:22:15 -0400 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IZtUt-000679-4Y for gnu-emacs-help@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:21:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IZtVU-0002fC-WF for gnu-emacs-help@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:22:15 -0400 Original-Received: from ppp-168-38.21-151.libero.it ([151.21.38.168] helo=ambire.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IZtVU-0002WR-Kd for gnu-emacs-help@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:22:12 -0400 Original-Received: from ttn by ambire.localdomain with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IZtUA-0000t3-7S for gnu-emacs-help@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:20:50 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Moofar's message of "Mon\, 24 Sep 2007 09\:46\:39 -0700 \(PDT\)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Detected-Kernel: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:47809 Archived-At: () Moofar () Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Any thoughts? CS covers both algorithms and heuristics. if your mode of learning results in frustration, try varying it either algorithmically or heuristically. then, you will not need to learn emacs (or CS), but let it flow into/around you. on the other hand, if frustration is what you want, then emacs is certainly up to the task. brows knitted, confidence slitted, a nest of features fitted, or a bag of bugs blitted? what is more humbling than silently mumbling C-x C-f src/FOO.c and steering a course into mystery? thi