Too small fonts after Emacs-Snapshot update

Too small fonts after Emacs-Snapshot update

[Sven Bretfeld]

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Hi together

I updated Emacs-Snapshot on Debian Etch two days ago. Since then, all
italic and bold fonts are displayed in a tiny, almost illegible
fontsize. It happens only under X. 

Additionally, since the update, Emacs starts with a rapid flickering
frame, changing its size from fullscreen to a few centimeters and back
again several times until the program is up.

Does anybody where the problem could be and how to solve it?

I'm using abobe-courier as default font. I should add that there were
also updates for X.org coming with the same update.

Thanks for help

Sven

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Re: Too small fonts after Emacs-Snapshot update

[Thierry Volpiatto]

Sven Bretfeld <sven.bretfeld@gmx.ch> writes:

> Hi together
>
> I updated Emacs-Snapshot on Debian Etch two days ago. Since then, all
> italic and bold fonts are displayed in a tiny, almost illegible
> fontsize. It happens only under X. 
>
> Additionally, since the update, Emacs starts with a rapid flickering
> frame, changing its size from fullscreen to a few centimeters and back
> again several times until the program is up.
>
> Does anybody where the problem could be and how to solve it?
>
> I'm using abobe-courier as default font. I should add that there were
> also updates for X.org coming with the same update.
>
> Thanks for help
>
> Sven

It seem emacs start with default fonts because it don't find anymore
your adobe-courier fonts (or don't recognize ?)
which version of emacs is it?

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Re: Too small fonts after Emacs-Snapshot update

[Sven Bretfeld]

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Hi Thierry

Thierry Volpiatto <thierry.volpiatto@gmail.com> writes:

> It seem emacs start with default fonts because it don't find anymore
> your adobe-courier fonts (or don't recognize ?)
> which version of emacs is it?

It's 23.0.60.1.

I will try to change the default font to see if this works better.

Greetings

Sven

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Re: Too small fonts after Emacs-Snapshot update

[Thierry Volpiatto]

Ho! it's an emacs unicode, you have to use bitstream font or dejavu
fonts, here my config:(work with emacs unicode and non unicode)

;; To make emacs no unicode and emacs unicode working
;; with same config.

(if (charsetp 'unicode-bmp)
    (progn
      (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8)
      (set-default-font "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-12:weight=bold"))
  (set-default-font "-misc-fixed-bold-*-normal-*-14-*-75-75-*-*-iso8859-15")
  (if (not (assoc "UTF-8" language-info-alist))
      (set-language-environment "latin-9")
    (set-language-environment "utf-8")
    (set-keyboard-coding-system 'utf-8)
    (set-terminal-coding-system 'utf-8)
    (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8)))

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Re: Too small fonts after Emacs-Snapshot update

[Sven Bretfeld]

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Thierry Volpiatto <thierry.volpiatto@gmail.com> writes:

Hi Thierry

Thierry Volpiatto <thierry.volpiatto@gmail.com> writes:

> Ho! it's an emacs unicode, you have to use bitstream font or dejavu
> fonts, here my config:(work with emacs unicode and non unicode)
>
> ;; To make emacs no unicode and emacs unicode working
> ;; with same config.
>
> (if (charsetp 'unicode-bmp)
>     (progn
>       (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8)
>       (set-default-font "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-12:weight=bold"))
>   (set-default-font "-misc-fixed-bold-*-normal-*-14-*-75-75-*-*-iso8859-15")
>   (if (not (assoc "UTF-8" language-info-alist))
>       (set-language-environment "latin-9")
>     (set-language-environment "utf-8")
>     (set-keyboard-coding-system 'utf-8)
>     (set-terminal-coding-system 'utf-8)
>     (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8)))

It's working better now. I use your code above but the font is too
small for me. I changed the line (set-default-font "Bitstream Vera
Sans Mono-12:weight=bold")) to:

,----
| (set-default-font "DejaVu Sans-20:weight=medium"))
`----

However, "customize-faces default" says, the default font is
"unknown-dejavu sans". Something still seems not correct.

Also, there are still some fontsizes unavailable. Depending on the
default size (I tried 12, 16, 18, and finally 20), either the \part{}
and \section{} headings or the \chapter{} and  \section{} headings in AucTeX again
turn up tiny. I think, the pre-defined font sizes for these faces are
unavailable. Is it possible to build  them? 

At least italic and bold fonts are visible now. I liked adobe-courier
more. 

Greetings

Sven


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Re: Too small fonts after Emacs-Snapshot update

[Sven Bretfeld]

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Hi 

I've now downgraded my Emacs version to 23.0.50 again. I think I will
be happier with this one. 

Thanks for all your help

Sven

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Re: Too small fonts after Emacs-Snapshot update

[Peter Dyballa]

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Am 25.02.2008 um 13:39 schrieb Sven Bretfeld:

> I've now downgraded my Emacs version to 23.0.50 again. I think I will
> be happier with this one.

A dead corpse? What religion is that?

--
Mit friedvollen Grüßen

   Pete

Wer eher stirbt ist schon 'mal länger tot!


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Re: Too small fonts after Emacs-Snapshot update

[Sven Bretfeld]

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Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE> writes:

> Am 25.02.2008 um 13:39 schrieb Sven Bretfeld:
>
>> I've now downgraded my Emacs version to 23.0.50 again. I think I will
>> be happier with this one.
>
> A dead corpse? What religion is that?

It's called voodoo.el. We are applying to become an official sect of
the Church of Emacs, but Richard still worries about our conformity
with orthodoxy, since we open our ritual techniques only to initiates.

Greetings

Sven

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Re: Too small fonts after Emacs-Snapshot update

[Bastien]

Sven Bretfeld <sven.bretfeld@gmx.ch> writes:

> Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE> writes:
>
>> Am 25.02.2008 um 13:39 schrieb Sven Bretfeld:
>>
>>> I've now downgraded my Emacs version to 23.0.50 again. I think I will
>>> be happier with this one.
>>
>> A dead corpse? What religion is that?
>
> It's called voodoo.el. We are applying to become an official sect of
> the Church of Emacs, but Richard still worries about our conformity
> with orthodoxy, since we open our ritual techniques only to initiates.

Sounds a bit like emasonics.el.

-- 
Bastien

Re: Too small fonts after Emacs-Snapshot update

[Romain Francoise]

Sven Bretfeld <sven.bretfeld@gmx.ch> writes:

> I've now downgraded my Emacs version to 23.0.50 again. I think I
> will be happier with this one.

Or you could keep the latest snapshot and use --disable-font-backend,
I guess.

Re: Too small fonts after Emacs-Snapshot update

[Tim X]

Romain Francoise <romain@orebokech.com> writes:

> Sven Bretfeld <sven.bretfeld@gmx.ch> writes:
>
>> I've now downgraded my Emacs version to 23.0.50 again. I think I
>> will be happier with this one.
>
> Or you could keep the latest snapshot and use --disable-font-backend,
> I guess.
>
>

I've found that even if you have built emacs with --enable-font-backend,
you can still use the normal fonts. I wasn't even aware that (for
example) your emacs-snapshot was being built with --enable-font-backend
and had just left my .Xresources Emacs.font: as it always has been - no
issues and no observable difference from earlier versions of either
emacs-snapshot or running emacs22.

I am currently dealing with a very odd problem though. I have two
machines, both running Debian. One one machine (this one) both
emacs-snapshot and an emacs I've built myself from CVS are working
fine. No issues. 

However, on the other machine I get weird errors about void function
definitions, signal 11 segfaults, and other 'weirdness' in both the
latest emacs-snapshot and emacs built from CVS. The only real difference
between the two machines is that the one I'm having problems with has
been running Debian since 2001, upgrading from (I think)
potato/woody. The other machine was a fresh Debian install about 12
months ago. I suspect it could be some bit of 'kruft' left over from a
dist upgrade. Frustrating because its my work machine and I've not got
time to chase down the problme just now. Had to revert back to emacs22
until I get time to sort things out.



Tim

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Re: Too small fonts after Emacs-Snapshot update

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 26.02.2008 um 09:30 schrieb Tim X:

> I suspect it could be some bit of 'kruft' left over from a dist  
> upgrade.


LibXft can be a problem – this is true in Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger):  
libXft is obviously too old here.

Recent GNU Emacs 23.0.60 is able to use more than one font backend:  
X11, Freetype, Xft:

	!Emacs.FontBackend:	x
	!Emacs.FontBackend:	xft
	!Emacs.FontBackend:	ftx

Since some days you can combine backends:

	Emacs.FontBackend:	x,xft

There can also be another source of problems: libfontconfig. It has  
to be modern, too, to allow to select fonts by certain properties.

--
Greetings

   Pete

I hope to die before I *have* to use Microsoft Word.
			- Donald E. Knuth, 2001-10-02 in Tübingen.

Re: Too small fonts after Emacs-Snapshot update

[Romain Francoise]

Hi Tim,

Tim X <timx@nospam.dev.null> writes:

> However, on the other machine I get weird errors about void
> function definitions, signal 11 segfaults, and other 'weirdness'
> in both the latest emacs-snapshot and emacs built from CVS.

Running Emacs under gdb and getting debug traces would be a good
starting point.  You can also install the apt-show-versions package
and compare the output on your two machines--you may have installed
an library package from a third party a few years ago and forgotten
about it.  Also run 'debsums -ca', just in case: it will list the
files which have changed on your system compared to their pristine
packaged version.

Re: Too small fonts after Emacs-Snapshot update

[Tim X]

Romain Francoise <romain@orebokech.com> writes:

> Hi Tim,
>
> Tim X <timx@nospam.dev.null> writes:
>
>> However, on the other machine I get weird errors about void
>> function definitions, signal 11 segfaults, and other 'weirdness'
>> in both the latest emacs-snapshot and emacs built from CVS.
>
> Running Emacs under gdb and getting debug traces would be a good
> starting point.  You can also install the apt-show-versions package
> and compare the output on your two machines--you may have installed
> an library package from a third party a few years ago and forgotten
> about it.  Also run 'debsums -ca', just in case: it will list the
> files which have changed on your system compared to their pristine
> packaged version.

Thanks for the suggestions. It turns out I appear to have a memory error
- the box is getting a bit long in the tooth and I actually have a
replacement one - just haven't got around to migrating. Now migration is
a higher priority!

Tim

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tcross (at) rapttech dot com dot au

Re: Too small fonts after Emacs-Snapshot update

[Tim X]

Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE> writes:

> Am 26.02.2008 um 09:30 schrieb Tim X:
>
>> I suspect it could be some bit of 'kruft' left over from a dist upgrade.
>
>
> LibXft can be a problem – this is true in Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger): libXft is
> obviously too old here.
>
> Recent GNU Emacs 23.0.60 is able to use more than one font backend: X11,
> Freetype, Xft:
>
> 	!Emacs.FontBackend:	x
> 	!Emacs.FontBackend:	xft
> 	!Emacs.FontBackend:	ftx
>
> Since some days you can combine backends:
>
> 	Emacs.FontBackend:	x,xft
>
> There can also be another source of problems: libfontconfig. It has to be
> modern, too, to allow to select fonts by certain properties.
>

thanks Pete. Actually, my problems now appear to be hardware
based. Looks like I've developed some bad memory in my system. However,
the stuff you provided on specifying the font backend is very
interesting and I will be experimenting to see what, if any,
differences I get.

Tim
>

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Re: Too small fonts after Emacs-Snapshot update

[Tim X]

Sven Bretfeld <sven.bretfeld@gmx.ch> writes:

> Hi Thierry
>
> Thierry Volpiatto <thierry.volpiatto@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> It seem emacs start with default fonts because it don't find anymore
>> your adobe-courier fonts (or don't recognize ?)
>> which version of emacs is it?
>
> It's 23.0.60.1.
>
> I will try to change the default font to see if this works better.
>

How are you setting the default font? 

Try specifying a font on the command line when you start emacs. Note
also that I believe that emacs-snapshot is built with the
--endable-font-backend. this means you can use things like 

emacs-snapshot -fn "Bitstream Sans Mono-10" 

but of course, you need to have the appropriate fonts installed. 

Tim

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Re: Too small fonts after Emacs-Snapshot update

[Sven Bretfeld]

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Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE> writes:

> Am 24.02.2008 um 21:18 schrieb Sven Bretfeld:

> I had this with GNU Emacs 23.0.60 some weeks ago, before 23.0.50 and
> 23.0.60 were (re-)united. Within days this was gone (on the next
> update from CVS because of another problem). Clearly, I don't know
> whether it was in GNU Emacs or somewhere else.

Seems related. My current version is 23.0.60.1. 

> Did you launch old Emacs once *after* X11 has seen its update?

Don't think so. I think the old version was replaced with the new one
by aptitude.

Greetings

Sven

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Re: Too small fonts after Emacs-Snapshot update

[Sven Bretfeld]

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Hi Pete

> From before or after the re-union? What is the date of Changelog? From
> February? Then it's the united version. In one or two hours I  can
> have my update (from *now*) running ...

From February, 15th. 

I don't understand your last statement. You love riddles, don't you? I
quit the one you sent me some half a year ago ;-)

Greetings

Sven

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Re: Too small fonts after Emacs-Snapshot update

[Peter Dyballa]

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Am 24.02.2008 um 23:47 schrieb Sven Bretfeld:

> I don't understand your last statement. You love riddles, don't you? I
> quit the one you sent me some half a year ago ;-)


Yes, I want to (make) have fun! I'm not interested in money and  
similiar nonsense.

At the end of January the two GNU Emacs versions from CVS, then known  
as 23.0.50 and 23.0.60 (the unicode-2 branch) were merged into one  
version: GNU Emacs 23.0.60, the main CVS branch now.


The version from one week later (2008-02-24) works OK for me.

--
Mit friedvollen Grüßen

   Pete

The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for «  
entrepreneur ».
				– George W. Bush




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Re: Too small fonts after Emacs-Snapshot update

[Stefan Monnier]

> I updated Emacs-Snapshot on Debian Etch two days ago. Since then, all

If you want help about code that's in-development, you might be better
served on pretest-emacs-bug@gnu.org or emacs-devel@gnu.org.


        Stefan