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Bourguignon" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs stackexchange beta site Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 19:57:05 +0200 Organization: Informatimago Message-ID: <87d2arxzm6.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> References: <874mw5q15w.fsf@debian.uxu> <87a95wy73q.fsf@debian.uxu> <8761gkdto0.fsf@panda.goosenet.in> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1411149669 29446 80.91.229.3 (19 Sep 2014 18:01:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 18:01:09 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 19 20:01:03 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XV2UO-0003EI-D8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 20:01:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59753 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XV2UL-0003wu-PP for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 14:00:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60086) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XV2U7-0003wR-8R for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 14:00:48 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XV2U0-0008NF-ES for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 14:00:43 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:34157) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XV2Tz-0008L8-W3 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 14:00:36 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XV2Tt-00036A-0B for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 20:00:29 +0200 Original-Received: from amontsouris-654-1-141-121.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr ([90.46.196.121]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 20:00:28 +0200 Original-Received: from pjb by amontsouris-654-1-141-121.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 20:00:28 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 41 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: amontsouris-654-1-141-121.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAQMAAABtzGvEAAAABlBMVEUAAAD///+l2Z/dAAAA oElEQVR4nK3OsRHCMAwF0O8YQufUNIQRGIAja9CxSA55AxZgFO4coMgYrEDDQZWPIlNAjwq9 033pbOBPtbXuB6PKNBn5gZkhGa86Z4x2wE67O+06WxGD/HCOGR0deY3f9Ijwwt7rNGNf6Oac l/GuZTF1wFGKiYYHKSFAkjIo1b6sCYS1sVmFhhhahKQssRjRT90ITWUk6vvK3RsPGs+M1RuR mV+hO/VvFAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Accept-Language: fr, es, en User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:YjIxNmIzN2E3MjQzNmRmNmFlNDIxYTZlYjk4MDY5MDk5YTJkZjk1Mw== X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:100036 Archived-At: Udyant Wig writes: > Emanuel Berg writes: > | > : > | The SX are very suited for the Google quick fix age - > | we may or may not like that age, but even I who dislike > | both Googling and those SX in principle cannot deny > | that often (especially error messages) are very suited > | to Google, and often it is one of the SX sites that > | instantly provide you with an answer. > > Could you please elaborate why you dislike Googling and SX in > principle? In principle, because they are centralized services, therefore single points of failure, or worse, of control (spying, censuring). Also, they're not present a unique (or a small number of) interfaces, but each web site has it's own interfaces (user interface or API). Therefore they are very hard to use, compared to NNTP API to which each user can apply consitenly the user interface he chooses. Also, sociologically, the fact that it's easy to find error messages or other help on Google/SX makes system authors LESS motivated to provide working and documented systems in the first place. This is not a good thing. Notably, it only works for popular systems. And error messages are not discriminating of the various situations: often I have an error message and find on SX ten different situations where it was issued, and none matching mine. In the end, I still have to debug by myself. Google/SX, it's the blind leading the blinds. -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ “The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to keep the man from touching the equipment.” -- Carl Bass CEO Autodesk