From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: gnuplot Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 15:54:28 +0100 Message-ID: <87d25f2na3.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> References: <87iof9f6qk.fsf@debian.uxu> <87egpv2p4k.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1423752913 24764 80.91.229.3 (12 Feb 2015 14:55:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 14:55:13 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 12 15:55:12 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YLvAc-00045t-VP for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 15:55:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50567 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLvAV-0004u1-AY for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 09:55:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41917) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLvAA-0004ns-3Y for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 09:54:47 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLvA5-0002kp-12 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 09:54:42 -0500 Original-Received: from msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl ([2001:808:114:2::50]:40223) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLvA4-0002kJ-QG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 09:54:36 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B53519B9 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 15:54:34 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DgbZQ42aBgwD for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 15:54:34 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [IPv6:2001:808:114:6:822:2870:da2e:4374]) by msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6B56E519B5 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 15:54:33 +0100 (CET) In-reply-to: <87egpv2p4k.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:808:114:2::50 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:102675 Archived-At: On 2015-02-12, at 15:14, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > On 2015-02-11, at 17:11, Javier Fernandez wrote: > >> [...] I think at some point they will release it under a more >> liberal license. Otherwise gnuplot will stagnate. There are GPL > > Just my 2 cents: GPL is not necessarily what should be called > a "liberal" license -- personally I find it rather restrictive, in > a sense. BTW: I do not like to sound trollish, but there was recently a heated discussion with exceptionally rude posts on Org-mode mailing list about so-called non-"free" (free-as-in-Free-Software-Foundation, to be precise) software. It was stated there that GNU mailing lists do not allow promotion of non-"free" software. So - if gnuplot is apparently not kosher - what is the official stance on this very thread? I'm asking because it was stated in that discussion that > [Redacted] is non-free software, and people should not install it, or > suggest installing it, or even tell people it exists. and in another post > Please stop using the GNU mailing lists to promote proprietary > software. (To be fair, not all participants seemed to agree with the above - rather extreme - quotes, and there was also a polite explanation of why informing about [redacted] was not necessarily a good idea on Org-mode mailing list.) I'd really like to understand what is good and what is evil according to the FSF, and - also from sheer curiosity - why is the current thread even allowed here (not to mention that there's even a discussion about a *possibility* of including gnuplot-mode in Emacs itself, which - according to what was said in the mentioned thread - sounds sacrilegious). This thread is another hint for me that there's something fishy going on with all this "free-software" talk. I'm afraid that - as is often the case - when some organization (three-letter or not) says that it aims to "promote [somebody's] freedom and to defend the rights of all [somebodies]", it's really some politics and not anybody's freedom it's all about. (If there is another explanation for this seemingly unfair treatment of various software projects, please do enlighten me!) Even though I do not personally agree with RMS or FSF, I have to say that *if* this is indeed the case, I would be rather saddened and seriously disappointed - until recently, I really believed in good intentions (however mistaken their morality) behind the FSF. Regards, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University