From: Marcin Borkowski <mbork@mbork.pl>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Real-life examples of lexical binding in Emacs Lisp
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 12:55:31 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87d20y5zks.fsf@mbork.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87d21i6x15.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com>
On 2015-05-30, at 14:59, Pascal J. Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:
> Tassilo Horn <tsdh@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> The emacs paper has a section explaining why emacs used dynamic binding
>> from the start: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs-paper.html#SEC17
>>
>> However, to me the two example use-cases only motivate why you want to
>> be able to use dynamic scoping for special variables (defvar), not
>> really for local variables (let) or function parameters, although the
>> first Edit Picture example explicitly speaks of binding command
>> arguments but I don't understand it.
>
> Indeed, in general, you want lexical binding for local variables.
>
> However, I would argue that for global variables, lexical binding would
> be useful too, even by default.
>
> In Common Lisp, we can implement global lexical variables, using
> eg. symbol macros, but in emacs lisp, we're missing operators for the
> global lexical case:
>
> dynamic lexical
> global defvar -
> local let(1) let(2)
>
> (1) when lexical-binding is nil or the variable has been defvar'ed.
> (2) when lexical-binding is t and the variable has not been defvar'ed.
>
>
>> But there are good use-cases for dynamic variables also in "normal"
>> programs. One example is to be able to bind some *error-handler*
>> dynamically in order to customize how to cope with errors that happen
>> far below the call stack.
>
> Definitely.
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.lang.lisp/oC5gDvn42pM/IudCXzCtxowJ
I'm sorry to say that I didn't understand that post. (Though I admit
that I didn't try /very/ hard. I'll try harder again later.)
Thanks anyway,
--
Marcin Borkowski
http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski
Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science
Adam Mickiewicz University
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2015-05-29 8:28 Real-life examples of lexical binding in Emacs Lisp Marcin Borkowski
2015-05-30 8:28 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-14 10:52 ` Marcin Borkowski
[not found] ` <mailman.4976.1434279182.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-06-14 11:31 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-06-16 23:48 ` Jim Diamond
2015-06-17 0:06 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-17 6:23 ` Andreas Röhler
[not found] ` <mailman.5136.1434522217.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-06-17 10:49 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-06-17 10:53 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-06-17 14:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-17 16:19 ` Andreas Röhler
2015-06-17 19:30 ` Tassilo Horn
[not found] ` <mailman.5171.1434557990.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-06-17 17:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-17 20:22 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-17 22:13 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-06-17 23:46 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-18 14:57 ` Udyant Wig
2015-06-18 15:47 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-19 13:49 ` Udyant Wig
2015-06-19 17:41 ` acronymania (was: Re: Real-life examples of lexical binding in Emacs Lisp) Emanuel Berg
2015-06-19 17:53 ` Rusi
2015-06-17 20:33 ` Real-life examples of lexical binding in Emacs Lisp Emanuel Berg
2015-06-17 22:07 ` Robert Thorpe
2015-06-17 22:17 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-06-17 0:43 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-06-17 16:02 ` Phillip Lord
[not found] ` <mailman.5167.1434556959.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-06-23 23:49 ` Jim Diamond
[not found] ` <mailman.3950.1432974543.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-30 12:59 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-06-14 10:55 ` Marcin Borkowski [this message]
[not found] ` <mailman.4977.1434279342.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-06-14 20:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-14 21:44 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-06-14 21:49 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
[not found] <mailman.3883.1432888152.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-29 9:30 ` Joost Kremers
2015-05-29 11:12 ` Andreas Röhler
2015-05-29 12:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-05-29 16:21 ` Phillip Lord
2015-05-29 16:50 ` Yuri Khan
2015-05-29 12:28 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-05-29 17:16 ` Andreas Röhler
2015-05-29 18:43 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-05-30 5:49 ` Rusi
2015-05-30 12:50 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-05-30 15:23 ` Rusi
2015-05-30 15:50 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-05-30 16:21 ` Rusi
2015-05-30 16:03 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-05-30 16:32 ` Rusi
2015-05-30 16:54 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-05-30 17:10 ` Rusi
2015-05-30 19:12 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
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