From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Another Emacs incompatibilty Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 10:50:29 -0700 Message-ID: <87d03netcq.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <86r1s648dc.fsf@shell.gmplib.org> <86wo1xz4lt.fsf@shell.gmplib.org> <83imdhgsqo.fsf@gnu.org> <86blj9xc2z.fsf@shell.gmplib.org> <87blj8gbmh.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <878secyj10.fsf@ebih.ebihd> <875z9gg5qm.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <2a7d658b-972c-46e0-b893-af8c236da401@default> <87imdfewcn.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5576"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:1USY/iq79TSP/gW+h+CB3JMWSIk= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 18 19:51:02 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k85lF-0001L6-QA for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 19:51:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51332 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k85lE-0007Cm-T9 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 13:51:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35616) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k85kv-0007CM-27 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 13:50:41 -0400 Original-Received: from static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de ([116.202.254.214]:42824 helo=ciao.gmane.io) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k85kt-0000fG-Cq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 13:50:40 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k85kp-0000t1-4p for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 19:50:35 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/08/18 11:39:32 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -8 X-Spam_score: -0.9 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:123724 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> > Some of us think that `delete-selection-mode' >> > should be enabled by default - and that this >> > is long overdue. >> > >> > FYI, a similar debate took place for >> > `transient-mark-mode'. It took _decades_ to >> > finally get that turned on by default. >> > >> > Maybe you can't imagine t-m-mode being off by >> > default. Try it. ;-) There are some good >> > arguments for that behavior, as there are >> > against it. >> >> I was mostly posting to point out possible clues to OP's problem, not to >> disparage `d-s-m', et al! I can see why people might want it, especially >> if they're also using a lot of other software. Personally I feel that it >> obscures an "Emacs approach" to editing that, when fully embraced, is >> much more powerful (I also disable `transient-mark-mode'), but I would >> have no interest in making that decision for other people, one way or >> the other. > > I understand your point of view better now, > since you've said that you also turn off > `transient-mark-mode'. > > The two are related, IMO. They're not > coupled, but there is some user-level relation > between them. Yeah I see that -- I turned `d-s-m' on to try it, without disabling `t-m-m', and had one of those "halp I broke my Emacs" moments.