From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: William Xuuu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs for everything? Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:51:11 +0800 Organization: the Church of Emacs Message-ID: <87brdlciww.fsf@163.com> References: <10pg1ivp03kqa69@corp.supernews.com> <87u0rq14xu.fsf@163.com> <87zn1i6ibz.fld@barrow.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1101444653 2104 80.91.229.6 (26 Nov 2004 04:50:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:50:53 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 26 05:50:46 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CXY4E-0001xa-00 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 05:50:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CXYDS-0002Oo-9b for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 00:00:18 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsgate.cuhk.edu.hk!news.cn99.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 63 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 219.224.141.187 Original-X-Trace: mail.cn99.com 1101444606 40264 219.224.141.187 (26 Nov 2004 04:50:06 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.cn99.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:50:06 +0000 (UTC) X-SampleHeader: foobar User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ERRVMYQDZbTnmt6y9q/OqjiC0Rg= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:126930 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:22332 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:22332 floyd@barrow.com (Floyd L. Davidson) writes: > I simply do not understand the sanity in what you have > described! That is a straight jacket! > > Except I'll grant that fonts in X are a problem. I've spent This is one of the key reason that i'm sticking to console. ;-) > hours and hours finding fonts (for any given screen resolution) > that provide a nice, readable screen under both (x)emacs and in > an xterm. But it is *definitely* worth it. > > The "black background, good for eyes" comment is correct, but > misplaced. Under X I use goldenrod2 as the foreground color > along with black for the background, and it is much like the old > "amber" monochrome monitors of years ago. Which is to say, even > better than white on black, for the eyes! > > But what you are missing by using a console is the extreme > versatility provided by a good window manager under X. Your > message headers indicate that you are using Linux, which means > you have to switch between a console and X with a rather clunky Yeah, i admit it a weakness. Not a big deal, though. Most of the time i'm under console. > mechanism, and have extremely limited use of screen space when > in the console. What I do, using fvwm2 as a window manager, is > set up a desktop manager with a 1x15 matrix of virtual desktops. You are so smart to master 15 desktops! I know fvwm supports multiple virtual desktops. But I only use one desktop. > The desktop manager is on the left side of the screen, and is > sticky. Hence I need about 1/8 inch of the left side to be > clear in order to use it with a mouse (and none of it needs to > be clear to use the keyboard to switch desktops). I hate that. I'd love Emacs to occupy the whole screen. And i don't like to use mouse. > At this moment I have 4 web (opera) browsers open in four > different desktops (all as different users). I have at least a > dozen instances of an xterm running in various windows. At a > glance I can see which desktop I am in, and with the click of a > mouse I can move to a different one, or I can use control-arrow > keys to scroll up or down through the list. (If at any time I > want a window in any desktop moved to the same desktop as > another window, that is an almost instant operation requiring > about three clicks of the mouse to do.) > > Consider the effort that you have to go through on a console if > you want to switch to a web browser. I can select any of four > of them with a single mouse click. And I could have them all > stacked up in the same desktop in short order too, which simply > cannot be done on a console. If i don't care the pictures, w3m is pretty good for me. BTW, why don't you use tabs in web browsing? -- William Xuuu