From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul R Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs-w3m question Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:16:59 +0100 Message-ID: <87bpx1g23o.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87vdvdu4mp.fsf@literaturlatenight.de> <74160b46-e541-436a-a776-c8bd53d6cd55@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <200810302125.m9ULP2AB006684@zogzog.maillard.mobi> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1225405133 18136 80.91.229.12 (30 Oct 2008 22:18:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:18:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Xah To: Xavier Maillard Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 30 23:19:54 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Kvfqq-0002os-VG for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:18:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36294 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Kvfpk-0002X2-D8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:17:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KvfpC-0002Ij-KY for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:17:06 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KvfpA-0002Gz-Ux for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:17:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47548 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KvfpA-0002Gp-M8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:17:04 -0400 Original-Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.128.185]:15382) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Kvfp9-000880-Q4; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:17:03 -0400 Original-Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 18so676825fkq.10 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:17:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:cc:subject:references :date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=Yq4ocMiyZfuxBCCcFnLaHvzt1xo6BP75XHBvsCN9/to=; b=qtcTr15z4se7hHoB9h52beVc2qhirbivtAwitDJSSytk53ghByBhkt4LdjTPTBsp+5 k2Ll6KdiGyjNnxjcEdVLrD3WyjZYkH6WfY5emLMhUXBnEC82woIU2vyMg76Erm94Q4Fk grt/DfKn+kdYLL+I6vRCLG2BoLxTz3niAtut4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=m9ZONTYj18h+JWMTFWuYeZ+BqtQnUDPn1RVhf1Jsz5mCmryW49hQLsRuxvRb1yi9An x17/K22md5mXC199NeKM61bQ6bDM72i/02UxSInGAi6lN69pexG4a3IReunR9kjjya30 VUs+Fist4cGKHOfVs2l8XI8YgIBE9yjXaQrvU= Original-Received: by 10.181.60.13 with SMTP id n13mr2813826bkk.92.1225405020416; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ubuT42 (pdc35-1-82-242-132-111.fbx.proxad.net [82.242.132.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e17sm1386618fke.10.2008.10.30.15.16.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:16:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200810302125.m9ULP2AB006684@zogzog.maillard.mobi> (Xavier Maillard's message of "Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:25:02 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:59272 Archived-At: Xavier> For your information, many old computers do not have Xavier> Up/Down/Left/Right keys thus making this as a default won't work Xavier> for them. I never use these key due to my habits. Therefor Xavier> I strongly disagree with you on that point. Defaults are for newcomers to quickly get hands on the thing. Nowaday, how many newcomers to emacs would discover it on a system without directional keys ? I bet 0, how many do you bet ? Now how many of them will find themselves unable to try a mode without asking on a mailing list, just because of weird keybindings ? -- Paul