From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jay Belanger Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Failing to see the allure of Emacs Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 07:45:00 -0500 Organization: mail2news@dizum.com Message-ID: <87bpecefjn.fsf@gmail.com> References: <877hp5e2op.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87pr2u7ie3.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <9uudnY0F7J_qFjfWnZ2dnUVZ8oCdnZ2d@posted.visi> <87mxxweqr6.fsf@rapttech.com.au> Reply-To: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1272999249 11892 80.91.229.12 (4 May 2010 18:54:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 18:54:09 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 04 20:54:08 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O9NFv-0004B0-Ft for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 May 2010 20:54:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59346 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O9NFv-0005Qy-34 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 May 2010 14:54:07 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!news2.arglkargh.de!news.wiretrip.org!news.dizum.com!sewer-output!mail2news Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:W1pi8E4mshuoW/YDGkoTieeKsfM= X-Vpipe: Scanner said ok (av_avast) X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 613, in=377, out=0, spam=0 ip=24.116.73.151 X-Originating-IP: 24.116.73.151 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Mail-To-News-Contact: abuse@dizum.com Original-Lines: 37 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:177572 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:73060 Archived-At: > Are the important manuals all up to date? Obviously not. Please specify something which is not up to date; that is a bug and should be reported as such. > Is the documentation complete? Clearly, no. Please say what is incomplete about it. It comments like these of yours that give the impression that you haven't bothered to actually read the documentation. If you actually have, please add details to your criticisms. > But if determined, competent, insightful people sat down to design > documentation that would be complete, most usable, and most helpful > over a range of users, the current emacs documentation isn't what > they'd come up with. Far from it. You should add IMHO or somesuch. > Maybe you're motivated to track down what I've done in free software, > and what documentation I've created. I'm not, because it's irrelevant. If you have a valid criticism then it is a valid criticism regardless of your background. But all that I see are unsupported remarks of how the documentation is not up to date or not complete. Please support these statements, or perhaps you should stop making them. > I appreciate the work other determined people put in on emacs (and > other free software) and documentation, but it's not immune to > criticism Not at all; in fact criticism is actively requested. But you haven't provided anything worthwhile.