From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: random predicate function Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 10:44:15 -0600 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87bp4nx9y8.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87mxo9r8xg.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87r5dlmw4a.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8762uxr2cc.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <8739pz144d.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8739pzysey.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1292434859 20152 80.91.229.12 (15 Dec 2010 17:40:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:40:59 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 15 18:40:55 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PSvLS-0002Zl-L6 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:40:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35535 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PSvLR-0005Dr-Ty for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:40:54 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!194.109.133.84.MISMATCH!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!news.wiretrip.org!news2.arglkargh.de!news.albasani.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 22 Original-X-Trace: news.albasani.net kJUM3Nn276bhbej+dYMuFIieyN5+K4h785AhbnynhJWblJKqgPh07PMLv13KS2JDnzd+02Jz6iSdtqrYbEVikw== Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 16:44:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Cancel-Lock: sha1:NsfOqduJ+vsmvhQCXPJvI0KPGYc= sha1:A7N25Ew9vyvKtyL+R93iBPuDZ0E= User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Injection-Info: news.albasani.net; logging-data="lRQI+9EDJk52KUSCp+XV+ZpkzHhpQYDlsZ2t16yD/uLt8JazPnUbieUxf0tmI0+va+QQnsQx10msameYkBGIaOXsEzsKxK3fc0gn92ElcuoMd/QuAPaAm0htPJK0Fury"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@albasani.net" Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:183312 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:77559 Archived-At: On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 16:20:05 +0100 "Pascal J. Bourguignon" wrote: PJB> Ted Zlatanov writes: >> I agree the CL macros are nicer, but the non-macro version is much >> easier to debug *in GNU Emacs* and it's already installed. So they both >> have benefits. PJB> I don't see how code without macros is easier to debug, there are so PJB> many macros in lisp code. We're talking about GNU Emacs specifically. Have you debugged macros there? They are definitely not as intuitive as functions in the debugger. >> Can your `shuffle' be part of cl-extra.el in Emacs? I like the brevity >> of it, and it's a good example of how to use `loop' properly. PJB> shuffle is not a Common Lisp function, so it should not be added to PJB> cl-extra, but it could be included in an emacs lisp library. OK, thanks. Ted