From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thorsten Jolitz Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: regexp question: match anything but not a group? 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X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:96975 Archived-At: "Loris Bennett" writes: > Thorsten Jolitz writes: > >> Stefan Monnier writes: >> >>>> But it still seems valid to protect against greedyness? >>> ^^^^^^^^^^ >>> AKA greed, >> >> I just made it up, but funny enough - it does actually exist (with >> slightly different spelling)! >> >>>>From http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/greediness: >> >> ,------------------------------------------------------------------- >> | greediness (ˈɡriːdɪnɪs) >> | >> | Definitions >> | >> | noun >> | >> | 1. the quality of being greedy >> | >> | greedy (ˈɡriːdɪ Pronunciation for greedy ) >> | >> | Definitions >> | >> | adjective >> | >> | Word forms: greedier, greediest >> | >> | 1. excessively desirous of food or wealth, esp in large amounts; >> | voracious >> | 2. (postpositive) foll by for eager (for) ⇒ `a man greedy for >> | success' >> | >> | Derived Forms >> | >> | ˈgreedily adverb >> | ˈgreediness noun >> | >> | Word Origin >> | >> | Old English grǣdig; related to Old Norse grāthugr, Gothic grēdags >> | hungry, Old High German grātac >> | >> | Example Sentences Including 'greediness' >> | >> | At times his greediness got the better of him but he never let >> | his enthusiasm go off the boil. >> | >> | Sun, News of the World (2004) >> | >> | Broilers consume lots more feed-there's a good chance that >> | greediness has been inadvertently selected for. >> | >> | New Scientist (1998) >> | >> | Mr Carman asked him if he had a `streak of greediness " in him >> | for money, expensive cars and Rolex watches. >> | >> | Sun, News of the World (1999) >> | >> | Thus individuals who do experience strong pulls of greediness >> | often go to desperate measures to hide their behaviour. >> | >> | Knowles, Jane Know Your Own Mind >> `------------------------------------------------------------------- > > If I were you, Thorsten, I wouldn't rely on "The Sun and "NOTW" for > particularly nuanced usage of the English language, even if Collins does > quote them. "New Scientist" is in a different category, but I think > "greed" would be much better in the example given for the following > reason: > > I would say that "greed" is traditionally "a deadly sin", i.e. a moral > failing, whereas "greediness" is a (normally) non-fatal display of > overindulgence. Bankers may be reviled for their greed, but > sticky-faced children told off for their greediness. > > In "Mastering Regular Expressions", Friedl refers to the "greediness" > aspect of regular expressions, which, given the lack of a moral context, > seems to me the appropriate choice. At least nuanced usage of the English language is still a topic. Here in Germany we are almost back to Martin Luthers free-style phonetic spelling after decades of so called 'language reforms' ;) -- cheers, Thorsten