From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nick Dokos Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Help setting up POP3 email (rmail) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 11:41:31 -0500 Message-ID: <87bn769i2s.fsf@alphaville.usersys.redhat.com> References: <87wppvc52x.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <87d1rmstxe.fsf@pierrot.dokosmarshall.org> <87egc2u7it.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1456332132 29507 80.91.229.3 (24 Feb 2016 16:42:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:42:12 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 24 17:42:02 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aYcVj-000325-1t for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 17:41:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36845 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aYcVi-0001VT-Cs for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 11:41:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43688) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aYcVX-0001VL-9r for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 11:41:48 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aYcVS-0000Yb-1O for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 11:41:47 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:35127) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aYcVR-0000YO-QV for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 11:41:41 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aYcVO-0002l6-IQ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 17:41:38 +0100 Original-Received: from nat-pool-bos-t.redhat.com ([66.187.233.206]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 17:41:38 +0100 Original-Received: from ndokos by nat-pool-bos-t.redhat.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 17:41:38 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 23 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: nat-pool-bos-t.redhat.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:cs/1uGrFUrWxXJaviTpp163FuDI= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:109292 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg writes: >> And then there's Verizon which uses 465. > > ... why do they do that? > $DEITY only knows. They used to use 587 but when they disallowed port 25 and went to 465, 587 went away as well. I have to play stunnel games in order to have postfix work with 465. But it does not affect the vast majority of their customers much: they set up outlook and forget it. Wikipedia has some information https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMTPS but my suspicion is that they are doing it for "efficiency" reasons: they don't have to worry about negotiating a TLS connection, the way that they would have to with 587. -- Nick