From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 21:55:12 +0200 Message-ID: <87bm00onz3.fsf@telefonica.net> References: <20190514235412.kncazq45szlum2gr@Ergus> <83v9yb92c7.fsf@gnu.org> <878sv7sp3r.fsf@telefonica.net> <83r28z8zl9.fsf@gnu.org> <20190515210924.sijzy6mnpgzkt4gm@Ergus> <83ftpecwu1.fsf@gnu.org> <20190516161408.4dov3dwk5h4yoizn@Ergus> <838sv6cmwt.fsf@gnu.org> <20190516202327.5cgy2s4kppy3ahxa@Ergus> <871s0yqg2i.fsf@telefonica.net> <06d1ac99-55be-0fe5-8cf5-85456762f699@yandex.ru> <87sgtdnm16.fsf@telefonica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="168857"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 17 21:55:41 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hRixA-000hnW-J8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 21:55:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53121 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hRix9-000436-L4 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 15:55:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45126) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hRiwz-000431-5I for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 15:55:30 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hRiwx-0005nL-GX for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 15:55:28 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=40686 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hRiwx-0005lG-8S for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 15:55:27 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hRiwt-000hR3-Ox for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 21:55:23 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Cancel-Lock: sha1:1VbYUYBLkjPeBmxwG8DbZnPWFxg= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120511 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 17.05.2019 18:22, Óscar Fuentes wrote: >> But that type of instant gratification require previous effort (learning >> that doing those things is possible, to begin with.) > > Still, that doesn't mean that we're free from making the amount of > effort this takes arbitrarily hard, or that we shouldn't make it > easier when possible. Sure. >> The instant >> gratification that I refer to consists on installing the éditeur de >> texte du jour, "oh, looks nice", poke it for a minute and decide that it >> is okay for you and be happy thereafter, or until you eventually become >> tired/annoyed enough and then select a replacement by the same criteria. > > That seems like a strawman. A lot of smart, thoughtful professionals > use other editors as well. That's true. It is also true that most people who work with keyboards don't do a thorough research and then use the best... they just go for what's at hand, with bad consequences 20 years down the path. See, I'm not saying that Emacs is perfect or the users of other editors are lazy fools or wathever, I'm just saying that converging towards popular editors is not good per se. I started with Borland IDEs, then Visual Studio and recently Android Studio. No matter their popularity, they are rudimentary editors compared to Emacs.