From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Allan Streib Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: editor and word processor history (was: Re: RTF for emacs) Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 09:14:39 -0400 Message-ID: <87a9a0ohfk.fsf@indiana.edu> References: <87ha4d64r2.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <87bnuho13m.fsf@debian.uxu> <874n09nz3c.fsf_-_@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1401369444 9345 80.91.229.3 (29 May 2014 13:17:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 13:17:24 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 29 15:17:17 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Wq0Cp-00059v-BN for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 29 May 2014 15:17:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48117 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wq0Co-0002rd-R8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 29 May 2014 09:17:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51801) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wq0CW-0002lg-PX for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 May 2014 09:17:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wq0CP-0001Ty-JQ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 May 2014 09:16:56 -0400 Original-Received: from belushi.uits.indiana.edu ([129.79.1.188]:53350 helo=hartman.uits.indiana.edu) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wq0AK-0000r2-Br for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 May 2014 09:14:40 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.98,934,1392181200"; d="scan'208";a="147872874" Original-Received: from mssg-relay.indiana.edu ([129.79.1.73]) by irpt-internal-relay.indiana.edu with ESMTP; 29 May 2014 09:14:39 -0400 Original-Received: from hartman.uits.indiana.edu (belushi.uits.indiana.edu [129.79.1.188]) by mssg-relay.indiana.edu (8.14.7/8.14.4/IU Messaging Team) with ESMTP id s4TDEdRh029048 for ; Thu, 29 May 2014 09:14:39 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.98,934,1392181200"; d="scan'208";a="142718574" Original-Received: from candy.uits.indiana.edu (HELO mail-relay.iu.edu) ([129.79.1.201]) by irpt-internal-relay.indiana.edu with ESMTP; 29 May 2014 09:14:39 -0400 Original-Received: from viking (156-56-93-99.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu [156.56.93.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail-relay.iu.edu (8.14.7/8.14.4/IU Messaging Team Submission) with ESMTP id s4TDEdhh007080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 29 May 2014 09:14:39 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (1000@localhost [local]); by localhost (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPA id 9215211b; for ; Thu, 29 May 2014 09:14:39 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <874n09nz3c.fsf_-_@debian.uxu> User-Agent: Notmuch/0.17+186~g69867c3 (http://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/24.3.1 (x86_64-unknown-openbsd) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 129.79.1.188 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:97936 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg writes: > For the Unix world, I have read there was once an > editor called ed that didn't showed the file being > manipulated at all - the "state" of the file, as it was > called (unbelievable). Teletypes and other brands of paper-based "terminals" were commonplace then. You didn't need (nor was it practical) for the editor to display the contents of the file, when it was already printed on the paper in front of you. So you used sed-like search/replace commands. Even the first CRTs were dumb (aka "glass teletypes") and didn't have addressable cursors. You cloud clear and redraw the screen maybe, which was painful at 110 or 300 baud. Allan