From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: pirate bay, w3m, and the interface is just an interface (BEST post ever) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 06:39:13 +0100 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87a92encvy.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <87k31v83eb.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419313225 5307 80.91.229.3 (23 Dec 2014 05:40:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 05:40:25 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 23 06:40:19 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3ICg-0004wa-Sy for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 06:40:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43186 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3ICf-0005oU-Q1 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 00:40:17 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 44 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: feB02bRejf23rfBm51Mt7Q.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:4WIJzgnb/HUi94l8g2SOIvgRPl0= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:209425 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101704 Archived-At: Marko Vojinovic writes: > It isn't really stealing because information is not > a scarce resource. > > The basic misunderstanding is in the fact that some > people want to treat information as property, in the > face of the fact that information is not a concept > that can be treated in such a way. > > The entertainment industry have based their business > model on the mistaken idea of treating information > as property, and now they are trying to save it from > collapsing by the propaganda that copying is the > same as stealing. But the vast majority of > "entertainment consumers" do not fall for that > fallacy. The business model of selling information > is conceptually flawed and should be let to die a > bitter death, like any other flawed business model. > > Artists should make a living by live-performing for > audiences and securing sponsors to support their > creative work. Like the rest of the world does. > Scientists for example make a living in exactly that > way --- by being paid to teach science to others and > by securing research grants. And their creative work > is free for everyone to read, copy and "consume" > free of charge. And this is *never* considered > stealing. There is no conceptual difference between > scientific creativity and artistic creativity, and > the corresponding "product" (i.e. information) > should be treated the same way. > > What would prevent a famous actor/composer/writer to > make fantastic money by giving lessons to others in > acting/composing/writing? The demagogy that poor sorry > artists will starve to death if their recorded art is > being copied instead of purchased is just that --- a > demagogy. One hundred percent correct. Excellent! -- underground experts united