From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [solved] Re: How to uninstall Emacs? Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 03:09:04 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87a8y86frj.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <878ue21nkc.fsf@gmail.com> <87fv88q4t5.fsf@debian.uxu> <87sic6stcg.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <20150411125610231765777@bob.proulx.com> <87lhhx7f6s.fsf@gmail.com> <874mojtxx5.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1429146330 2395 80.91.229.3 (16 Apr 2015 01:05:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 01:05:30 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 16 03:05:25 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YiYFA-0006jP-68 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2015 03:05:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34808 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YiYF9-0007v3-Gg for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 21:05:23 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!us.feeder.erje.net!news2.arglkargh.de!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 50 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: feB02bRejf23rfBm51Mt7Q.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:qnsvynyd4K3ZlZMrQ/eqCjWqmio= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:211474 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:103756 Archived-At: Bob Proulx writes: > But the problem is that people don't actually do > that very often. They don't learn first with > a victim system and then work through the problems. > Instead people run their critical production servers > that way. They run their main desktops that way. > And then when they have problems they complain that > the OS is terrible, it crashed their desktop, they > can't read their email, help!, and they sling enough > mud at it. They can't wait to move off that terrible > horrible distribution and move to the next one which > is a thousand times better. Really! I see this all > of the time! OK, perhaps Sid shouldn't be used by Debian beginners but you don't need to be a wizard to use it. If you are an aspiring wizard perhaps using it will take you closer to wizardry, at least if you have a parallel system so you can still do stuff and don't have to spend too much time fixing Sid. > Many of the problems are related to package > dependencies. Perhaps most of them. A Sid user needs > to be skilled in identifying package dependencies, > will need to hold packages, will need to manually > install older versions of packages to avoid bugs Indeed, you get to do such stuff. I did this once - it was the image viewer gliv, which I wanted because it can do slideshows, but the latest version (in Debian Sid) had a bug and terminated on startup. Once "down"graded it worked fine. Temporarily change /etc/apt/sources.list and then sudo aptitude install PACKAGE=VERSION after finding out the sought-after version's number. But I don't remember many such problems from my Sid days. What might explain it is on the whole I don't use aptitude that much, because I already have zsh and Emacs :) But I definitely did install new programs habitually. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573