From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Using Emacs for business Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2021 22:41:21 +0200 Message-ID: <87a6mz18ge.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <20210616093202.GC22979@tuxteam.de> <87mtrpvjwy.fsf@zoho.eu> <87im2dtnzk.fsf@zoho.eu> <87v96dqray.fsf@zoho.eu> <87eecc86sz.fsf@zoho.eu> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38290"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:qQxszF9QPZViukRWJ934R5pKHAE= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 06 22:42:04 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m0rtM-0009lR-Gf for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 06 Jul 2021 22:42:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46096 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m0rtL-0004QR-H6 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 06 Jul 2021 16:42:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50418) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m0rst-0004QB-IJ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Jul 2021 16:41:35 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:53270) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m0rsr-00021y-Fq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Jul 2021 16:41:35 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m0rsp-0009Db-CP for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Jul 2021 22:41:31 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:131600 Archived-At: Jean Louis wrote: >> But not elite as in big bucks I'm afraid. You can go ask >> people working with computers to make money everywhere, but >> also young, ambitious people who study CS around the world >> at the universities. All of them will have some experience >> from Python, almost, but only a few (of the university >> guys) will be Lispers. > > It is just a generational trail. It is reality. Python isn't that new BTW, it is from 1991 (CL is from 1984, Elisp from 1985). > Maybe in Sweden. Not everywhere on the planet universities > advance or progress. Well, Sweden has a strong history as an IT nation, this should be a US thing rather, to a large extent. > Still I find that it is so much better relying on offline > resources like books than online references. Even so, but there is much, much more on Python than on Lisp. Go to the local techno-science bookshop and count. > btw. I don't "google" as it is not a verb, I use other > search engines, I search ... :) > What you said "try to do same with Lisp" -- actually I have > tried and I have got so much less dependencies on outside > libraries. [...] But it isn't about what you do or what language you prefer how how you go about using it. It is something that can be counted and compared. There is much, much more on Python both digitally and available as books and anything else you can think of. It just has a much stronger position than Lisp. > Get real... help me get real with a concrete example that > may replace the tabulated-list-mode in some other language. > I would need the features from that mode with keybindings. > Do you have an example? You are in for the language war, but I'm not. It isn't about what language you or I prefer or which is best according to some ... way of comparing them, I guess? It is about what other people use. People use Python to a large extent, and Lisp to a very small extent. In the business world, the same holds, only even more so... -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal