From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Gnus and multiple Email servers Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2021 13:44:58 -0800 Message-ID: <87a6hk2e5h.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <878rxjedvs.fsf@zoho.eu> <87ilwnxyqn.fsf@web.de> <87zgpzcvc4.fsf@zoho.eu> <87sfvngzfu.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87ee77i8on.fsf@web.de> <87h7bw7g0c.fsf@web.de> <87k0grk2yo.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87wnkrmfu4.fsf@web.de> <87fsrfj5gj.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87r1axevz3.fsf@web.de> <8735nc6fry.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <877dcojim6.fsf@zoho.eu> <87lf143z4a.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <8735ncjcj6.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9942"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:qa7oE8adujYHqgDG+KU6YZ9MXjs= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 01 22:46:22 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1msXQj-0002Qr-UJ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2021 22:46:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40094 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1msXQi-00082j-L1 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2021 16:46:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46140) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1msXPw-00080n-1B for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2021 16:45:32 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:45712) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1msXPi-0007IW-JT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2021 16:45:31 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1msXPe-0000pe-8Q for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2021 22:45:14 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:134766 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor writes: > Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > >>> I have >>> >>> (setq gnus-message-archive-group "nnml:mail.sent") >>> >>> but also a nnfolder "archive" server that is empty. >>> >>> Maybe unrelated on both accounts ... eh >> >> Not entirely unrelated, in that your archive-group setting >> is sufficient to cause Gnus to create a default nnml select >> method for you. That could potentially contribute to the >> confusion, if people are trying to understand where all >> their select methods come from, and don't know why they have >> an nnml method that they never configured. > > Hm ... "method" here meaning ... ? Yet another contributor to confusion is the proliferation of terminology. I believe "select method" and "backend" mean the same thing: a type of server. Then "server" is an instance of one of those backends. I'd rather drop "select method" altogether, but obviously it shows up in all these variable/function names... > I have > > (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.gmane.io")) > (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nntp "nntp.aioe.org") > (nnml "") )) > (setq gnus-message-archive-group "nnml:mail.sent") > > and servers > > nnfolder: archive (opened) > nndraft: (opened) > nnml: (opened) > nntp: nntp.aioe.org (opened) > nntp: news.gmane.io (opened) > > So nnml I configured explicitely (as well as implicitly if > I understand you correctly) and the nntp as well, twice. Right. You configure some servers with those options, then the *Server* buffer shows you the sum total of the servers you configured, plus the servers it constructed for various reasons: always-present servers, servers created because of other customization options, and servers constructed from existing groups. > In nndraft it turns up I had 0 drafts and 19 posts in > "queue", I don't know if that means they were never sent or > what else it indicates? Hit "J S" and see what happens :) (Actually, don't do that, if they've been in there for years that could mess up your life, or at least confuse a lot of people.) > In the nnfolder "archive" there is nothing and it isn't even > opened by default, so I guess it doesn't do anything? > But I can open it so it is operational, maybe operational > doing nothing but still ... By bare default, Gnus will put your sent messages in an nnfolder "archive" server. Probably when you first started using Gnus you hadn't configured your archive server, so Gnus created this default. Then later you set things up more thoroughly, so it never got used? Something like that? Anyway, you're probably safe to remove it.